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Suzuki XL-7, Suzuki Grand Vitara, SUV
#397 of 1355 2002 XL-7 Limited MPG Report
Dec 08, 2001 (12:03 pm)
I have only a little over 900 miles on my vehicle so far. But I wanted to report on gas mileage.
17 mpg (straight city stop and go traffic)
25 mpg (straight highway; cruise control 60 mph)
Bottom line: This is dang good for a 6 cylinder pushing a 3700 lb vehicle. It rides smooth and is fairly quiet. Has great pick up and feels good to my passengers. And it sure looks good. It beats the pants off the competition in price/performance and interior space usage.
Other seven seaters in this class costs a heck of a lot more and generally do not get as good gas mileage. By adjusting the front and second row seat, a full sized person like myself, 6.1 and 195 lbs, can sit in the third row with plenty of head room and without banging my knees. Insurance Institute gives the XL-7 it's highest overall rating and therefore insurance cost is a very good value. True, it didn't do well in the 5 mph fender bender test against poles, but 47 other well known modern brands cars also did poorly -- and this is more of a cosmetic issue, not a safety issue. Yes, I would like to see car companies do a better job in this area.
I really believe that Suzuki has a bum rap by having to officially state mpg of 17 - 20. Suzuki must really be hated in the U.S. Well, I know it is by the inaccurate and highly prejudiced statements by Consumer Reports. I stopped buying their magazines in fact. Too many payoffs and not enough fact IMHO. I encougage you to do the same. At the very most, just peruse their magazine on the rack without buying it. They suck and should be taken with a BIG grain of salt.
I don't work for Suzuki in any way. I'm just a happy customer and getting tired of being bullied around by car politics in the U.S.
How much did I pay for my XL7 Limited? I took a 5 year lease at $371 per month, with a residual of $9000 unless I trade it in early for another vehicle of course. Although, I moved it up to $381 for an external paint and interior protection package, as well as road side assistance.
#398 of 1355 2002 XL-7 Limited MPG Cont.
Dec 08, 2001 (1:14 pm)
I forgot to mention that my XL-7 has Bridgestone tires rated at a maximum of 44 lbs. For the above mentioned mpg tests, I inflated the front tires to 36 and the rear tires to 40 lbs. This seems to give a little better roll. I think I'll keep the tire pressures in this category unless I'm towing something, in which case I'd follow the towing instruction suggestions in the manual, including recommended tire pressures.
Dec 10, 2001 (10:28 am)
Hi guys thanks for all the nice posts on this forum, now I finalized XL-7 will be my next buy.
I spot an ad, they are on year end sale for a base model for $16,999 4x4 manual trans. Do you think is a good deal. Any help would be much appreciated!
#400 of 1355 Sounds good to me
Dec 12, 2001 (9:58 am)
That sounds like a fair price. Be sure you'll be OK with a base model. We have a Plus and even wish we had a few of the limited/touring goodies like the fog lights.
I think the '02 base does not have the third row, but if it is an '01, it should.
We paid $20,875 for a Plus 4x4 auto. Coming up on 5,000 miles and everything is tight and proper. Very nice and easy vehicle to drive.
Dec 13, 2001 (6:22 am)
XL-7, was not ignoring you but had to go to Tucson ( I am in VA) on an unexpected trip and did not have access to a computer. I understand about the rear seats. thanks for the info. The solution leaves some gaps and with my dogs I can not afford gaps so I came up with my own solution. Take Care
#402 of 1355 Re: Flat Seats/XL-7
Dec 13, 2001 (4:21 pm)
Just curious what you came up with as your own solution to the seat gap issue. Anything you wish to share? Thanks.
Dec 13, 2001 (6:34 pm)
I cut two pieces of plywood and put a hinge on them. Combined they are the length of the 2nd row seat when it is down plus 8 inches to cover the hole between the two rows. The hinge is so the wood will angle down and not create an unbalanced piece. I know if sounds strange but it works. Also it is just right to fit the space behind the second row and the back door when the second row is up. It is just a first option now. I an going to get a piece of plexiglass and cut it to match what I have in wood now. It will be lighter. BTW, I have covered the wood with a thin pad and stapled fabric to it that matches the interior of the truck.
Dec 13, 2001 (7:01 pm)
I just had a 2" hitch installed on my XL-7. I called a number of hitch installers and none of the manufacturers had the XL-7 listed in their suppliers catalogs. Jiffy Hitch suggested I call my dealer's parts dept. to find out if the Grand Vitara and the XL-7 use the same hitch. The dealer confirmed that they were the same part #. I had Jiffy Hitch install it and I saved at least $100.00 U.S.
I have had my 2002 Limited for a 1 1/2 weeks find I like it even more than I expected. I had thought I liked a few other SUV's better, but bought the XL-7 because I need the extra seating for occassional family outings and it seemed like a well built vehicle. As I drive it I find there is a great deal to like about this vehicle.
I ordered the rear cargo cover and It was so pathetically designed I refused to accept it. Unlike my wife's Subaru which has a very easy to use "window shade" design, this is a flimsy piece of vinyl which has to be clipped to the headrest support rods to stay in place. It would be awkward to use. Obviously the people who designed the truck did not design the cargo cover.
One final comment. Some reviews have said the interior plastic looks cheap. I do not find anything cheap looking about the interior, although I do have the limited which has nice leather seats. Everything fits and seems to be well integrated. I think the design is refreshingly simple and not overdone. I also like the older style pushbutton ventilation selectors. One reviewer criticized the Suzuki because these buttons were reminiscent of older style vehicles. I happen to think they are easier to use then the newer rotating knobs. Although I usually like innovative design, sometimes newer is not always better. Remember, the wheel was invented a long time ago, and nobody has been able to improve on it.
#405 of 1355 First "real" problem
Dec 20, 2001 (9:34 am)
Finally took my XL-7 in to the dealer to have them diagnose a very quiet "gear noise" that I've been hearing since new. I had mentioned it to them once before (for my free 3K oil change), but I didn't have enough insight into the problem then, and they suggested that I wait to see if it was something that just went away upon futher breakin.
Well, in short, it didn't. I tried switching over the tranny and transfer case to a synthentic lube, and that didn't help (but the transmission shifts noticably smoother). By accident, I discovered that the noise could be made to more-or-less come and go by playing with the transfer lever.
The service manager took it for a ride and came back to tell me that it needed a new transfer case. He seemed pretty sure of the diagnosis too, like he had seen this before. At any rate, I'm waiting for it to arrive so it can be put in, hopefully while I'm still on vacation.
I still love this truck!!! Overall, this is minor, considering the value you get with this vehicle. I still expect this to last me well over 100K, like my last Suzuki did (and I expect is still doing), with proper maintenance. Besides, it's not going to cost me anything, accept a little inconvenience in waiting for it to be installed.
Since I've spent a little time in the dealership lately, I thought I'd mention what I've seen on the 2002s. The back (3rd row) seat seems no different than the one in my 2001, save for the flap they added between the 2nd and 3rd rows (same slight incline). The seat fabric is indeed different (I'm pretty sure someone else mentioned that before). Not better or worse IMHO, just different. Haven't noticed anything else visually.
My mileage has dropped a little lately, probably due to the type of driving I've been doing (less constant highway), and the colder weather (finally got a little snow here yesterday in southern Wisconsin!). I'm averaging around 22.5, from a high of 24 earlier this fall. Coming up on 4K and everything else is just great!
Hope everyone enjoys (or enjoyed) their holidays!
#406 of 1355 Gear Noise
Dec 20, 2001 (8:01 pm)
Thanks for the insight on the gear case problem. I'm at 16,300 on my 2001 touring model. Other than the check engine problem (gas cap missing) that I experenced it seems to be an excellent vehicle.
My vehicle is mostly drivin on smooth surfaces,rarely in cold tempatures, on rough terrain, on mountains, snowy surfaces,mud,rocky surfaces, in fact I have never used my 4 wheel drive.
Is there any specific gear,4x4 high-low pattern, speed,turn,surface,weather,or movement that I can compare my findings with to provide you with information that may verify that this may not be a factory defect, and only a minor malfunction,etc.
Once again, thank you for your comments. This town hall has been very knowledgeable and helpful. I wish you the best! Happy holidays and Happy motoring!