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Suzuki XL-7, Suzuki Grand Vitara, SUV
#385 of 1355 New 2002 XL-7 Limited Owner
Nov 25, 2001 (8:44 pm)
I've only had my 2002 XL-7 for 8 days. I have just under 500 miles on it. I've been alternating the speed to break in the engine and took it to the mountains this weekend. Even with this uneven driving on a brand new engine, I got 21 mpg. I've heard one other guy locally claiming a best of 24 mpg.
Reviews of the xl7 vary widely. True, it didn't do well with the 5 mph bumper test. But overall, the Insurance Institute gave the xl7 the highest overall rating. In fact, my car insurance went up very little from trading in a sedan.
Also, on the Suzuki site, it shows in the news area that the Insurance institute rates the xl7 better than the other 4 brands, including the top of the line Acura MDX. The xl7 was lower in cost by $1000 to several thousand, for repair costs, maintenance, better gas mileage, etc.
I think of my xl7 as a four in one vehicle. Nothing else matches it in quality, 3 rows, and price performance, period.
I think of the xl7 as a four in one vehicle.
1. It's a camper. I can put the second and third row seats down and fold a blanket to fill in the lower part of the flat bed. I can then pull out my sleeping bag and stretch out for a good night sleep. By the way, I'm 6'1" and 195 lbs. The little platform that connects the third and second row seat works well. It cannot handle more than 110 lbs directly on the platform.
2. It makes a great little minivan. I can readjust the first and second row seats forward slightly. Then I can fit in the first, second, or third rows without banging my knees. Not a lot of room but that's the beauty of a compact vehicle. It's easy to maneuver in tight places.
3. It makes a great "real" suv. I've already tested the xl7 in 4 wheel drive in high and low. It works fantastic. Feels like I could climb straight up a building wall
4. It serves as a decent family wagan. My wife and daughter like the smooth, quiet ride, as well as all the seat configuration options. And it really looks nice.
#386 of 1355 GAS CAP
Nov 26, 2001 (7:34 pm)
It was the Gas cap...missing! The dealer charged 40$ to reset and 20$ for the cap.
Nov 27, 2001 (10:59 am)
Happy you like yours. I also have a limited and it is now just going over 8k. Still tight. We use ours for the dogs--no kids. My wife even likes it but it is more of a toy for weekends and trips. We have not tried the 4WD. However, I am sure with winter around the corner I will have ample opportunity to try it. No problems to speak of and I get about 21-22 MPG.
#388 of 1355 Dealer rip
Nov 27, 2001 (1:19 pm)
Wow, $40 to do nothing. The check engine light will turn itself off after a few miles of driving with the cap replaced. I think I'd give them a word or two about charging for nothing!
And $20 bucks for a gas cap? Is it the locking one? NAPA had a non-locking type (same as orig) for about $8 when we lost ours. Oh well, that's dealers for you.
Nov 28, 2001 (4:39 pm)
That is how they make their money. If mine keeps up as good as it is the only time they will see it is at major services.
#390 of 1355 Dealer Rip
Dec 02, 2001 (5:28 am)
It's so true that the dealers take every opportunity to make a buck. The 15000 mile service charge was $99+ tax.
Mostly simple things that most auto owners keep up thereselves. Inspecting fluid levels,rotating tires,and changing filters if needed. There is an additional charge for the filters.
My XL-7 is running so good that I hate to let any mechanic touch it. It seems to have reached the break in point, the accelaration and pick up is so amassing. I haven't had the opportunity to try the 4wd.
The dealer says the 30,000 service is the big boy, with a charge around $300.
I received a letter from McNeil in reguards to the wind noise that I experienced from the Vent Visors. Actually, they emphasized that I reinstall and try for a better seal. I tried several things, and found it in my best interest to remove them.
It's a big difference, so quiet.
I finally got an opportunity to see the 2002's, one with the 3rd row of seats, and one without.
Changes! with 3rd Row! A flat surface, when folding down the seats. At present they do not have a kit to install in the 2001's to upgrade.
Changes! No 3rd row!....Personally I would rather have the 3rd row due to the fact that there was not any additional leg room added to the second row after the 3rd row was permanetly removed. The seat track's are the same, and only extend the same length.
Anyone with 15,000 or more mileage? If so,any things to look out for?
Dec 03, 2001 (3:35 am)
I hope my 15k service is a little as 99 plus filters. I do my own oil changes ( I use synthetic) and do most of the little work myself but I have found the 15, 30, 45 etc services by the dealer pay off in the long run. They look for items that need to be replaced (and are still under warranty) that I may look at and think are ok. They also have the TSBs to check out. At least this has proven to be so with my Ford dealer. Mine has not been back since I purchased it and with three cars I expect to put only about 600 a month on it so that means I have about 10 more months to go till I get to 15K.
Are you going to send the vent visors back? Since you are not happy with them I think they will take them and return your money. I have found mine to make some noise but not even close to being so bad as to take them off. The pair I purchased for my van are really quiet. I think that has to do with how the window is designed where the vent goes all the way to the bottom of the window frame and then goes up in an arch.
When you say a flat surface with the new third row configuration is it really flat of just with the flap between the seats it seems to be flat. There is a slight incline with the 2001. To get really flat they would have to redesign the second row seat to get it lower than it is now, I think. I am going to get with the parts people and see if the back of the third row seats can be ordered as a separate item. I will let you know.
#392 of 1355 rear speakers?
Dec 04, 2001 (1:35 pm)
I'm looking to add speakers in the rear cargo area and was wondering if anyone knows what standard size fits? Also, does anyone know if it is pre-wired? The Suzuki parts dept. can only order by part number w/o knowing the size.
The doors are 6-1/2" rounds.
#393 of 1355 Flat Surface
Dec 05, 2001 (5:29 am)
There is a flap between the seats on the 2002. Yes, you are correct. It appears to be flat, but there is a slight incline.
Also, there appears to be no change in the engineering, to restructure the floor and seat pattern.
I didn't really check the 2nd row seats on the one without the 3rd row. I'll have to flip the seat down to see if it is totaly flat with the rear cargo space.
I'll stop back at Woodbridge Suzuki tomorrow and take a thorough examination. If you have any questions that you need answered, I'll be happy to ask for you. I will be there aprox 8:ooam
Also, on the Vent Visors. I didn't send them back, but they did say that they would take them back. I'll keep them and will probably put them back on when the weather is bad.
#394 of 1355 2002 XL-7
Dec 06, 2001 (9:27 am)
I got a second look at the 2002 XL-7 rear seats.
Here are the findings:
There are no changes to the second row of seats, same tracks, seats, etc. It operates the same as the 2001.
The third row of seats has a minor change. That change being, a flap is added to both sides of the
split seats. The flap is folded simular to a box top. The flap extends in length when its up. When down, it rests to the back of the seat(3rd row).
When the 3rd row seats are folded down to make a flat surface, the flaps are used. Each flap has two straps attached, aprox 6 to 12 inches in length. Each strap has O-rings at the end.
After the seat is in the down position, the two straps are extended to reach the second row of seats, the O-rings fit around the pegs in the head rest on the 2nd row. When in place, the straps and flap create a somewhat flat surface.
It is not exactly flat, but probably can be adjusted somewhat to make a stable support, also providing a much flatter surface than normal. The flaps do not overlap and leaves a very small split between the seats (the two split - 3rd row)seats.
The split is about the size of a cd case.
If a person were to take a piece of carboard and cut a layout of that rear section. They could cut a piece of plywood the exact size of that folded down area. Add two strips of wood underneath the front as supports and a leveling effect; then carpet it or leave it as is. It would make a wonderful storage, or useful section for, groceries,dogs,boxes etc.
Hopefully I have provided a brief description of what I saw.