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#4917 of 4940 Re: 2009 Grand Vitara tidbits [explorerx4] by ateixeira Aug 04, 2008 (6:06 am)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Aug 01, 2008 3:32 pm) They're pretty tiny, think Suzuki SX4 sized, only taller.   It's like...   Honey, I Shrunk the Escape!
#4918 of 4940 trade in 06 vue loaded w/ loan on it. ? for gmc truck. by mellou1 Sep 25, 2008 (9:04 pm)
in need of a truck. gmc has good deals on their pricing. but still have loan on vue.?lossing $ for trade in.. 1st x new owner... what to do ? or just get a used cheap work truck ? Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 26, 2008 9:26 am) mellou1 (Sep 26, 2008 8:48 pm)
#4919 of 4940 Re: trade in 06 vue loaded w/ loan on it. ? for gmc truck. [mellou1] by ateixeira Sep 26, 2008 (9:26 am)
Replying to: mellou1 (Sep 25, 2008 9:04 pm) What is the loan balance and the residual value? Ask in the Real-world trade-in values thread to find out what you could get for your Vue.   If you are upside down, I would wait, if possible.   Consider keeping the Vue and getting a beater truck, used. Values have plunged with the high gas prices. Replies to this message: mellou1 (Sep 26, 2008 8:48 pm)
#4920 of 4940 Re: trade in 06 vue loaded w/ loan on it. ? for gmc truck. [ateixeira] by mellou1 Sep 26, 2008 (8:48 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 26, 2008 9:26 am) we have half the loan pd in 3 yrs. another 3 will be pd. still have xx warr. & maint.package on it. ? trade in possible half the price ? unsure.. thinking of getting 4 or 6 cy. gm still has aniv. sale still on. ? unsure cheap truck would cost more in repairs..
#4921 of 4940 Ford Escape/Tribute/Mariner by scape2 Sep 28, 2008 (3:04 pm)
to get a new 2.5 4cyl producing about 177HP. However, the new 2.5 will get BETTER MPG than the 2.3 with the option of a 6spd automatic. The 3.0 will get a power boost to 240HP and will come standard with the 6spd automatic. Plus, the new 6cyl will offer better MPG too! Ford is listening and delivering. The wifes 04 Mazda Tribute ES V6 is approaching 56,000 trouble free miles. We are waiting for the 09/10 Tributes to hit showrooms and then we will test drive a 4cyl model with the 6spd automatic. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Oct 02, 2008 10:17 am)
#4922 of 4940 Re: Ford Escape/Tribute/Mariner [scape2] by ateixeira Oct 02, 2008 (10:17 am)
Replying to: scape2 (Sep 28, 2008 3:04 pm) I read about that, too, and it's a huge improvement for the 4 cylinder powertrain.   I was sort of expecting that with the redesign, but I guess they redid the powertrain a year or so later. Better late than never.
#4923 of 4940 Re: Comparison of small utes [carczar] by blizzard4 Aug 31, 2009 (1:46 pm)
Replying to: carczar (Nov 27, 2000 6:39 pm) Well ! I believe your right and I did by a Santa Fe for my wife, She loves it ! I would have added the hyundai is using the Borg-Warner all wheel drive system   Given high marks by all the reviewers I have researched and read many reviews claim it equal or better then subaru's drive system please do your own research don't believe me please .   far more quite, better fit and finish the most. we have taken the Santa Fe high into the rocky mountains in storm conditions 45+ miles per hours winds, heavy rain hail, 2 +inches of water on the road it performed perfectly with out a flaw MY wife had 2 Toyota Prius before the new Hyundai, gas mileage is exactly what the window sticker claimed Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 01, 2009 9:09 am)
#4924 of 4940 Re: Comparison of small utes [blizzard4] by ateixeira Sep 01, 2009 (9:09 am)
Replying to: blizzard4 (Aug 31, 2009 1:46 pm) You can't just list a supplier name and declare an AWD system superior and call it a day, without even providing a reference.   Here's a reference:   http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/821001   They say it is "designed to meet the growing front-wheel-drive-based crossover, sport-utility and passenger car vehicle markets", which means it's not built from the ground up, but rather made to add on to an existing FWD platform. Compromise from the get-go.   They also say "Born from BorgWarner's experience in producing over 1,000,000 AWD clutches since 1998" yet Subaru has produced many more than that for the US market alone, and the US is not even Subaru's #1 market. So Subaru has much more experience than what they're bragging about.   Lastly, they write:   the NexTrac® system is controlled by an ECU that manages driving torque and is able to detect loss of traction to prevent wheel slippage, assuring instant response in nearly every driving situation   Clearly that is a reactive system. They argue it reacts instantly, but that's still not the same as providing full-time traction 100% of the time, nor can it be proactive if it's waiting for a detection of loss of traction.   Sounds like an improvement over the old system Hyundai used, which could not even use the traction control and AWD systems simultaneously, but this is far from matching Subaru's much greater experience with full-time pro-active systems.
#4925 of 4940 since this thread... by explorerx4 Sep 01, 2009 (6:20 pm)
bubbled up. i would like to point out that having an 04 escape v6 and an 09 also, the mileage for the 09 is much better. over 75+k with the 04, it has averaged 19.2 mpg. the 09 with 40 more horsepower, is averaging 22.7. that translates to about a 15% improvement already! the 04 is part time 4WD and the 09 is full time AWD.
#4926 of 4940 Slip & Grip by xostnot Sep 02, 2009 (9:28 am)
Anyone sweating the details of fwd/awd slip&grip systems should also bear in mind the Grand Vitara's full-time AWD. With a low range commonly installed.   I'd be interested in hearing how a pro-active traction control system works. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Sep 02, 2009 10:23 am) ateixeira (Sep 02, 2009 10:27 am) rsholland (Sep 02, 2009 10:32 am) ateixeira (Sep 02, 2009 11:05 am)

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