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Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Jeep Liberty, Ford Escape, Suzuki Grand Vitara, Saturn VUE, SUV
Mar 30, 2005 (6:45 am)
Is the Escape supposed to get the bigger V6 that will go in the Five Hundred?
That was the rumor but another one has surfaced recently that kind of hints that it won't. What I recall, correct or not, is as follows.
The next gen Escape was to be based on the Mazda6 and offer the Duratec35 somewhere around 2007 or 2008.
The next gen Escape will be based off of the European Focus and another Ford SUV based on the Mazda6 will sit between it and the Explorer. The latter will offer the Duratec35 but the Escape, which may be slightly smaller a la the Sportage and Tuscon, probably won't. I would guess a V6 will be offered but I don't think Ford has a smaller V6 in their parts bin right now. Maybe a turbo Duratec23? I'm not sure of the year but I would expect to see it around the same time or about a year after the Mazda MX Crossport and/or the Lincoln Navigator (both off of the Mazda6).
Mar 30, 2005 (10:33 am)
Or a hybrid powertrain, perhaps.
In Brazil they sell the EcoSport, though I think that's based on the tiny Fiesta.
#4391 of 4943 Re: 4WD vs. AWD [w84itnow]
Apr 02, 2005 (7:04 am)
I just bought a 4-WD Santa Fe at the end of February. I would question a dealer who doesn't even know the options on a vehicle he is selling. You might want a different dealer who you can trust to know the vehicle and therefore answer all your questions. I love the 4-WD as I am sure you will!
#4392 of 4943 what about the Pilot
Apr 04, 2005 (8:48 am)
they are advertising the base LX model in my local paper for $23,388
that comes with a powerfull V6 and seating for up to 8.
i don't see Subaru beating this for value
Apr 04, 2005 (11:26 am)
Ad prices are deceiving. You go in and they ad freight, advertising fees, processing fees, etc. That price looks too good to be true, so it probably is. I'd believe $25k.
In the Forester thread someone just paid $22.4k for a Forester XT, that's the turbo that'll outrun an S2000, never mind a Pilot. Those things are useful but not the least bit sporty.
Apr 04, 2005 (12:19 pm)
I was amazed at seeing that $22.4K for the Forester XT. If any of the dealers around here would have been willing to sell me one for that price, I'd be driving one right now! I'm not unhappy with my choice of vehicle, just sort of disappointed that I couldn't get any of the Subaru dealers to go below MSRP. The XT was the more practical choice (though who ever buys a car strictly based on practicality?).
#4395 of 4943 Re: Ad prices [ateixeira]
Apr 04, 2005 (1:20 pm)
Right, but I never believe everything that I read either... That is nearly 4K BELOW invoice (if you add in destination), and there is no way a dealer is going to lose that much money on a new vehicle unless it was a program car with about 5K miles or something. Even then they usually only go about 1-2K below invoice on a program vehicle..
And as you mentioned, you can never believe ads, or Internet quotes either. There are too many scams and hidden fees. If gas prices keep going up, you may start to see some of the bigger SUV's being seriously discounted though.
Apr 04, 2005 (1:35 pm)
Not really, XT starts at $23698 plus $575 freight. Subtract a $2000 dealer incentive and you can potentially get one for $22,273. And that's before they dip into the hold back, which some dealers are willing to do.
My guess is you won't see prices like that where demand is high (Alaska, Colorado, Vermont).
The Pilot above is probably an LX, that's got steel wheels and is missing a lot of other stuff. Dealers don't even carry many of them, people want EX and up. Invoice for an LX is a little over $25k.
And not that they're comparable at all, but if you did want steel wheels go shop a Forester X, I've seen those for less than $18k. There's still a huge price difference.
#4397 of 4943 Re: Ad prices [ateixeira]
Apr 04, 2005 (5:41 pm)
look, the ad wasn't a price leader "1 only at this price" but 3, and it included delivery. Of course tax and title are extra.
The thing is, there is alot of standard equipment in the base Pilot including an "spirited" V6 255 horse power engine. I don't mean to burst your buble or rain on your subaru parade, but you could at least acknowledge that hypothetically this deal blows away the Forester in value. I'll give you the 0-60 contest, but from there on you have less car in every catagory including gas milege.
#4398 of 4943 Re: XT Invoice [ateixeira]
Apr 04, 2005 (7:52 pm)
I was looking at Edmunds pricing, and they did not account for the 2K rebate, and I was looking at an automatic vs. a manual. That is a sweet price on a Forester, but at the rate that gas prices are going, we will all be driving diesels...
Does Subaru make a turbo diesel.. Now that is an idea..