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#3337 of 4940 by steve_ HOST Oct 22, 2002 (7:13 pm)
Just curious - I'm an ex-skate skier (recreational only!). Fresh snow tends to have much better traction in the parking lots than fresh mud.   (I'm good, but google.com is better). Steve, Host
#3338 of 4940 Lou by paisan Oct 23, 2002 (3:46 am)
Interesting article. But I'll bet that since it was a "work" accident a good portion of those "back injuries" are trumped up to try to collect more from workman's compensation. Not to mention that the Cherokee is a Uni-body vehicle there is not frame on it! Was he wearing his seat belt? A lot of factors we don't see in a small snapshot about the case.   -mike
#3339 of 4940 ABS by paisan Oct 23, 2002 (3:48 am)
You can always put in a blown fuse for the ABS if you really dislike it. I for one used to hate it til it saved my butt. Now the only time I disable it is if I'm running on sand or dirt. For offroading at least on my Isuzus, anything under 10mph and the ABS will not engage, so I don't have to worry about disengaging it.   -mike
#3340 of 4940 by ateixeira Oct 23, 2002 (5:53 am)
No - Subaru does not sell any cars without ABS. Haven't for a couple of years now.   Don't forget, without ABS you'll flat spot your tires in no time. Noone can modulate their brakes perfectly, maybe we'd like to think so, but nope. Once you lock them even slightly, flat spots start developing, from that point on it'll lock up more easily, and it keeps getting worse.   The Cherokee does have a frame, it just doesn't stretch the full length of the vehicle. My Forester has a frame, too, in fact my trailer hitch bolts to the frame rails. The "unibody" part just means that the body panels act as part of the structure.   -juice
#3341 of 4940 It's more of a sub-frame by paisan Oct 23, 2002 (6:03 am)
rather than a frame per-say. The frame rails are welded to the body. On a "frame" vehicle the entire weight and all components are attached to the frame itself.   -mike
#3342 of 4940 #3223 Thanks, ... by xccoachlou by anonymous02 Oct 23, 2002 (6:07 am)
"Had the Cherokee not had a trailer hitch, our plaintiff likely would not have been ..."   Able to tow?
#3343 of 4940 paisan by anonymous02 Oct 23, 2002 (6:09 am)
"...those "back injuries" are trumped up to try to collect more from workman's compensation. Not to mention that the Cherokee is a Uni-body vehicle there is not frame on it! Was he wearing his seat belt? A lot of factors we don't see in a small snapshot about the case."   All good and important points!   "...Now the only time I disable it is if I'm running on sand or dirt...."   That is what I was thinking...
#3344 of 4940 ABS cont. by paisan Oct 23, 2002 (6:21 am)
Also when on sand or dirt it's only disabled if I'm gonna be "rallying" since when offroading generally you are going below 10mph and my vehicles turn off ABS below 10mph anyway.   -mike
#3345 of 4940 by ateixeira Oct 23, 2002 (6:46 am)
LOL, anonymous02.   Some Subie owners have pulled the fuse with no ill effects, except not having ABS, of course.   -juice
#3346 of 4940 Oooh, I can't wait for this one... by jaserb Oct 23, 2002 (8:26 am)
In response to this guy's back injuries, are we going to see federally mandated crumple zones built into all trailer hitches? I can see it now... come to think of it, I'll bet that even without the reciever the hitch on my Santa Fe sticks out farther than the bumper.   -Jason

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