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4940 messages, Last post on Sep 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM
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If you live in an urban area, that bumper test rating is one to look at carefully. Sure as day, some ignoramus type moron will either 1) Try to create a parking space where there is none. 2) Speed into a parking lot and give your car a nice little "love tap". 3) Send a shopping cart crashing into your car. 4) All of the above. And let's not forget when the local utility suddenly puts a telephone pole where none existed for many years, dare I say since the dawn of time! I didn't christen it, but one of my neighbors found out his bumper didn't quite pass the <5 MPH test. - Lou |
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"But I was always really glad that all Subies come standard with it. Do any of the other models listed here come standard with it? I know CRV and RAV4 do not. Also optional on Escape/Tribute. Santa FE? Liberty?" It is only optional on the base models in the Escape/Tribute. All XLT's come with standard ABS. I too would not buy a vehicle without ABS. My old ZX2 had it, and anyone who has driven a small light car in the snow will know that you need all the help you can get sometimes. On the crash tests: I can't find the numbers for the new Forester, but I do know (or at least am pretty sure) that the Escape/Tribute handle slightly better and brake better than the others on the list including the CR-V. I'm guessing that the Forester handles better because it is a car. Active safety is a big part of the vehicle's overall safety rating too. |
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I'm guessing that the Forester handles better because it is a car. Your beloved Escape/Tribute is also a "car" -mike |
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"Your beloved Escape/Tribute is also a "car"" None taken, but I'm well aware of how the Escape/Tribute came to be. It is built on a heavily modified 626 chassis giving it "car like" uni-body construction... We bought it because I didn't want a real truck and my wife didn't want a station wagon. I did want a station wagon because I really don't like trucks, but the Subies were immediately crossed off the list by my wife. Obviously she won this round. When I look at a Subaru, I think car. When I look at any of the others, I think truck. Well, I kind of think mini-van when I see the CR-V. Being a "car" is not a bad thing in my book. The "truck like" SUV's on this list are pretty good compromises though. I knew one of you would be offended by that. |
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#3191 those pesky telephone poles by xccoachlou "If you live in an urban area, that bumper test rating is one to look at carefully. ... I didn't christen it, but one of my neighbors found out his bumper didn't quite pass the <5 MPH test." I hit a tree at about 20-25 one winter. I had a big station wagon with bald tires (hey, I was 16, and learned my "winter driving lesson" that day!). The only damage sustained was the bumper pushed in a little. That spring, I chained the bumper to a telephone pole, and pulled it back out. Try that with today's cars (mini trucks, even some big ones!). #3192 of 3194 ABS by baggs32 "I too would not buy a vehicle without ABS. My old ZX2 had it, and anyone who has driven a small light car in the snow will know that you need all the help you can get sometimes." Sometimes it doesn't help. If I had a car, I might not mind it, as long as there is a switch or a fuse to pull if I wanted to override the ABS. I don't think I'd want it in an SUV at all. ABS probably would have saved me from hitting the tree in the wagon, but I never would have learned winter driving as a result. |
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| You're lucky to still be here. A crash like that can be fatal if the car does not absorb the G forces. The reason cars deform today is for just that reason, it is one of the main reasons that annual death rates have not risen to match the huge annual increases in mileage traveled. | |
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No towing ability? A 5 speed Forester can tow 2400 lbs, and that's just because SoA's US lawyers are very conservative. The Forester in the UK is rated to tow 1800kg, or 3960 pounds. So it's not that it can't tow, just that SoA is very, very conservative. And acceleration is not weak, it's within a second of anything else here, and quicker than the V6s in the Sante Fe, XTerra, and Grand Vitara. There is an ABS fuse in Subarus, but I'd never pull it. Note that even back in 1999 the Forester had earned a "Good" in that crash test, and even several years later only the Sante Fe matches the last generation Forester. The new one is a Best Pick. -juice |
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Lucky? I don't know if I was even wearing a seatbelt. That wasn't really much of a crash at all. There WAS snow on the side to help buffer things, but still... I'd rather have the car not get damaged, thanks just the same. |
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