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#3287 of 4940 by daveghh Oct 18, 2002 (7:24 am)
Scape,   If you look at the final numbers of the amount of work going into the vehicle from cradle to dealership I think there is very little difference between the Kia and a Ford. Most of the ford parts are made overseas...
#3288 of 4940 by ateixeira Oct 18, 2002 (8:29 am)
The cost of living has got to be much lower. You can't compare wages directly like that.   How is the quality of life of a blue collar employee from Kia, compared to a Ford employee? That would be a more useful comparison.   -juice
#3289 of 4940 wage of labor by ken_from_nj Oct 18, 2002 (8:41 am)
agree with juice - a dollar for dollar comparrison btwn american labor & korean labor is not a fair comparrison. heck - look at the west coast port labor situation here recently. here you have some of the highest compensated organized labor organization in the USA striking/not working to contract standards because they can't agree to get a new contract in place w/management due to disagreements on the implementation of technology which would speed efficiency & allow major usa ports to BEGIN to operate at the speed & efficiency levels alredy performed at foreign ports. however this is a board for subaru's & cars & probably not a place for a debate on labor issues although labor ties to production quality which is something we are all interested in as consumers.
#3290 of 4940 by ateixeira Oct 18, 2002 (10:08 am)
I make about the same money as my brother in Brazil.   He has a 5 bedroom beach front apartment, fully paid off. I have a jumbo mortgage with 27 years left on it (ouch). Oh, and no beach besides my 3 year old's sand box.   Like I said, you can't compare salaries like that.   -juice
#3291 of 4940 got this from another forum by anonymous02 Oct 18, 2002 (10:22 am)
Here's a great article I found that you Kia and Hyundai fans will enjoy reading! Visit: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5420
#3292 of 4940 by ateixeira Oct 18, 2002 (10:41 am)
Interesting that the Koreans ended up competing more with GM, and not the Japanese makes.   I heard Bob Lutz deleted ABS as standard equipment from some models to be able to compete on price with the Koreans.   -juice
#3293 of 4940 Wages make a difference by scape2 Oct 19, 2002 (7:17 am)
Yet another American company established in 1837, the Hathaway comapany lays off 250 workers. It cannot compete with "overseas labor costs".. Todays paper, in the Business section.. Your right though, this is not the place to debate economics...
#3295 of 4940 too bad by anonymous02 Oct 19, 2002 (5:09 pm)
Too bad about the ABS, the inexpensive ABS was a sure winner for GM. Although not as sophisticated as some, it was a low cost safety improvement for many people.   So, not much talk lately about Santa Fe, Liberty, Escape, Forester.   Should this title go away? Should CRV, and others be added?
#3296 of 4940 A lot of by nippononly Oct 19, 2002 (11:07 pm)
people I know are indifferent to having ABS in their car...I am not a stickler for it either. So I don't know if it is a huge selling point with GM - in fact, probably not, since they chose to delete it.   But I was always really glad that all Subies come standard with it. Do any of the other models listed here come standard with it?   I know CRV and RAV4 do not. Also optional on Escape/Tribute. Santa FE? Liberty?

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