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4940 messages, Last post on Sep 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM
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bess: What's the difference between "informed" and "smart"? How about "knowledgeable" or "intelligent"? We're getting into thesaurus games here. I'm a little confused about how the Honda CRV fits into your last post. CRVs are nice machines, although you seem to be much more enamored of them than I was when I cross shopped them recently (as any informed consumer would). Apparently, it's your favorite pick for smart consumers -- but, don't you own an Escape? |
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| I am also on the side of smart consumerism. I am a consumer myself. I would not advise any of my friends or family to buy any product I thought was unsafe, regardless of my corporate affiliation. I also would refuse to participate in any coverup of wrong doing regardless of what my refusal would do to my job status. 15 years ago I tipped the police to a vehicle that had been involved in a hit and run accident that was in the dealer that I worked for's body shop. The vehicle had been driven by the owner's son. The loss of my job was not as important as my being able to look myself in the mirror the next day. Anyone who has a concern about a particular vehicle should find out the facts about it. If they feel uncomfortable, then by all means they should find something they are comfortable with. | |
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distinguish a "smart" consumer with a "bias" consumer, wouldn't you say? For me the CRV was not the right choice. I wanted V6 power, some towing ability (2 water craft) along with a good looking SUV.. to be able to switch to 4WD when I wanted. I don't prefer a swing open tail gate either. Choices are nice. |
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tincup47: I have no reason to doubt that you are an ethical individual and smart (a.k.a. "informed") consumer who happens to work within Ford corporation -- we're not talking either/or here. (I appreciate that, unlike others, you are not inclined to completely dichotomize issues in a way that makes for moralistic battles instead of intelligent discussion or debate). Likewise, as a smart consumer who is not an automotive industry employee, I would want a major player like Ford to do better in the competitive arena, not worse. scape2: A person without bias has no identity. I chose against the CRV because its AWD system is not as good as the Forester's, and not as flexible as other alternatives. |
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Motor Trend named the Chevy Caprice COTY, I'd drive it myself and form my own opinion before trusing theirs! LOL Honestly, how many times have you test driven a vehicle and completely disagreed with either you personal expectations or some auto editor's? Lots of times. -juice |
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| Not me. 1 out of 5 times I'd disagree, but for the most part, I tend to agree with the evaluations from reviewers. | |
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Well, I've driven a lot of vehicles. I'm surprised by at least on thing almost half the time. For example, the Z3 was nothing special. I prefer my Miata. The 325i automatic feels slow. The X5 is a boat, not nearly as nice as the 5 series wagon. Reviewers gush over Bimmers like they were touched by God. So I've learned to reserver final judgement until driving the car. YMMV. -juice |
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| I was looking over in the Sorento board area, and it looks like it is getting pretty favorable comments. I have a relative who sells many different makes of cars, and he said they can't keep the Sorento in stock! | |
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I know Kia isn't Hyundia but I'd be weary of long term reliability and the over all stability of Kia itself. That 10 year warranty won't be much good if Kia is gone in a few years. My buddy had a Hyundia and it was fine for 2 years but then the trouble started. Cheap, yes. Is there a reason, I suspect yes. |
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They actually aren't that cheap. $20 to 25 grand or so. That's about average, it's just got a bigger engine than most. -juice |
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