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#8158 of 11966 1995 vs 2001 Trooper vs CR
Jul 16, 2003 (7:05 am)
My 1995 is exactly the Trooper that Consumer Results used for their publicity stunt. I have a video of that "test" and clearly they worked very hard to make the Trooper go up on two wheels. The Trooper was driven through the course at the outside pylons the others were allowed to use the inside pylons. If a skier ever gets near the outside pylons on a slolam course that skier is way out of control and working desperately hard to get back to the inside pylons. Isuzu calculated that the lateral G forces turning at the outside pylons was well over 1G while turning at the inside pylons caused only half as much lateral forces. Troopers are rated 0.67G lateral turning forces, plenty good enough to pass the "test".
Consumer Reports sole purpose for forcing the Trooper up on two wheels was to get free publicity on the news. They had no intention whatsoever of testing the Trooper compared to the other SUVs. The Trooper would have passed a real test and certainly would have done better than the Ford Explorer which was known to have a really mushy suspenstion back then.
Consumer Reports deliberately did harm to Isuzu. It was a calculated risk they took that their sales gain from the free news advertising would more than pay their legal fees when doing battle with a relatively small Isuzu company presence in the USA.
Isuzu took Consumer Reports to court and won. Consumer Reports was convicted of deliberately getting the Trooper up on two wheels for a publicity stunt at Isuzu's expense. However, freedom of speech in the USA prevented Consumer Reports from getting a big penalty, so they were right, the publicity stunt more than payed for their legal costs.
In my opinion, Consumer Reports should be required to forever place a prominent discalimer on their front cover stating that some of their "tests" are performed as publicity stunts for free advertising in the news" and consumers beware that some of the data in Consumer Reports is deliberately false.
About Trooper Performance: The 1995 and 2001 are both 5 speed S models. Both came with reasonable stiff shock absorbers (I think softer shocks are provided on cushy top of the line models). Both perform about the same. I have driven other vehicles with better roll over rating in Consumer Reports that were far more dangerous in high speed cornering than my Troopers, Chevy Lumina minivan is down right scary in turns when it feels like you are about to drag the front bumper at the outside corner on the ground.
Troopers have a sharper turning radius than many others and that gives the possibility for getting it up on two wheels.
Other Consumer Reports publicity stunts are also at the expense of relatively small SUV builders: Suzuki Samarai done just like the Trooper, and Mitsubishi Montero oscillated back and forth until it fianally went up on two wheels and they even showed the film on the news for the shock value. Any engineer looking at the Montero film would imediately tell you that was a publicity stunt and not a test. If you wanted to roll a Corvette you would go about it the same way.
Consumer Reports rollover "tests" have absolutely no credibility with me.
If it were not for its false statements about the Trooper rollover that Consumer Reports is too embarrassed to retract, they would be able to show the Trooper as best value by far since the price is low and the capability, quality, and reliability are top notch, far better than all other SUVs except slightly less than the Toyota 4Runner according to Consumer Reports.
Thanks for the chance to vent at a time when I am very stressed about having my 1995 Trooper taken from me before my 10yr/200000 mile minimum use personal requirements. My 1995 Trooper has been more reliable than my wife's 1998 and 2002 minivans, she insists on taking my Trooper when the weather is bad to make sure not to get stranded. Since my 1995 was not rusting, or ticking, I expected to get 250000 to 300000 miles out of it and swap for the next Isuzu Trooper after it has been out for a couple years in 2008 or 2009.
Jul 16, 2003 (7:49 am)
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Irritating isn't it?
#8160 of 11966 start the engine
Jul 16, 2003 (10:00 am)
I have a trooper 1999, run great. However, in the summer it is difficult to start the engine while it starts well in the winter. It take forever to start the engine unless I push the gas pedal and hold at high idle speed for awhile. It is not happen in the winter.
It seems to me it has a thermo sensor or something like that, that lower the idle speed and make it difficult to start the engine.
#8161 of 11966 Isuzu Commercials/15000 mile tune
Jul 16, 2003 (10:44 am)
Last night I saw 3 Isuzu commercials. 2 for the Rodeo and 1 for the ascender. This is the first time in years I've seen an Isuzu ad. They were good. They seemed to be pushing the "get more for less" idea. They even had a memorable line for the Rodeo, something like "I like my mountain roads steep, not my payments".
I can relate to that!
Yesterday I took Troopey to the dealership for the 15000 mile service interval. I also wanted to have them correct some minor warrenty issues. The dealership in Portland, OR is great. They offer a price match for comprable repair work and many of the GM Goodwrench staff drive Isuzu's. They are top notch. The guy I talked to raved about the depenablity of Troopers.
BTW 15000 miles, apart from the simplest of things...the trooper is problem-free.
#8162 of 11966 Trooper suspension
Jul 16, 2003 (10:50 am)
The Trooper suspension has a strange set of characteristics. It is mushy and bottoms out easily. When stepping on the brakes, there is significant nosedive. Just pressing down on the front bumper with your hands, you can see the suspension moves quite easily. On the other hand, when driving down the road, you can still feel all the little bumps as well.
Over the weekend I drove a full-size Chevy pickup. It felt no harsher on the little bumps, but was much tighter and less mushy on the big ones. The same can be said for my car, a Saab 9-5. The suspension is firmer/tigter, but feels less harsh than the Trooper. If you push on the front bumper of that car with your hands, it barely moves.
Can anyone explain why the Trooper is this way? Is the root problem just the soft springs, or does it also have to do with fundamental things such as the basic design and geometry?
I have a 98 Troop with 50k and relatively new Rancho 9000 shocks set to 3. These shocks probably add some harshness, but they still can't control the mushy springs even when cranked up higher than 3. At this point, I'm just trying to understand why the stock setup is the way it is. In the future, I may upgrade the springs (OME + Sway Away), but I don't want to end up with something that rides like a cement truck either. Would appreciate any other thoughts or experience in this area.
#8163 of 11966 enphan - starting
Jul 16, 2003 (11:52 am)
It shouldn't do that...you shouldn't need any gas pedal to start. Possibly the fuel pressure regulator? But that wouldn't change in the winter...I don't know. No "check engine" light?
Jul 16, 2003 (3:10 pm)
Try taking the 9-5 or the Chevy offroad and you'll find that they won't go very far on the trail compared to your trooper. Perhaps a nice Isuzu Assender would be more your style?
#8165 of 11966 CEl on-off
Jul 16, 2003 (3:10 pm)
my buddy had the same problem, it was a dirty EGR, cleaned it and it was all better.
Jul 16, 2003 (4:15 pm)
Having a bad day? That was not a helpful reply. I'm simply curious how the stock suspension manages to achieve both mushiness and harshness at the same time. Intuitively I might expect one or the other. Didn't you upgrade the springs on your Trooper? I will consider doing likewise, if that is the real weakness, and if the ride is not overly hard afterwards.
Jul 16, 2003 (4:23 pm)
I just find it really funny when people compare off-road purpose built vehicles to sporty cars and/or non-offroad oriented vehicles.
I think that part of it is the body mounts working with the frame. I upgraded my torsion bars (front springs) and my rear springs shortly after buying my truck (20K miles) I've also added considerable hardware (ARB Bumper, 275-70-16 Scorpion AT tires, heavy side bars, heavy hitch + rear bar, and usually carry about 150-300lbs of tools)
I found that cranking up the shocks to 4 on-road yields a bit better ride, although I don't find it to be bad at all either way.