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#8015 of 11966 Transmission Robbery!
Jun 24, 2003 (10:11 am)
I'm hoping someone can help my father out with a transmission problem on his 1998 Trooper. He took it to an Isuzu dealership for the 80K maintenance, which, according to the manual, included draining and flushing the transmission fluid and replacing the filter. The dealership claimed they didn't do the usual "dropping of the pan", draining the fluid or replacing the filter. They would do a "power flush" which would do the same thing for less money. My dad agreed to this service since they refused to do the recommended way. Now, a couple thousand miles later, his transmission was starting to slip in the higher gears. Prior to this service, he was having no problems at all. He took the Trooper to the dealership that did the flushing to have them check the transmission fluid level. They claimed the fluid was fine. The service tech took a ride with my father to check out the problem. He claimed he couldn't pin-point the problem or even guess at what could be wrong without tearing the transmission apart. My father agreed, unfortunately. It took them two days to even look at it, never returning my father's calls. Finally, they called and said it would be $3000 to fix it. He almost had a heart attack. He questioned the whole deal and they did come down about $400. My father felt they had him by the...teeth, so he agreed to let them do the work. He has talked to people about this and has learned that this flushing process actually destroys your transmission. We feel that this dealership is purposely using this method knowing that they will be replacing the transmission shortly after. Does anyone know about Power Flushing the Transmission and/or has anyone had to replace their transmission at 84K miles? I really want to help my dad, so any info will be greatly appreciated. Thank you!!
Jun 24, 2003 (10:27 am)
You can find controversy about any technique, but power flushing a transmission is a well accepted technique to more completely replace the tranny fluid. I had mine done.
There is no filter on the transmission.
I'm sorry about your trouble. It is a shocking amount of money.
Jun 24, 2003 (11:10 am)
Is about right for the AT.
I had mine power flushed at 50K miles, now at 55K no problems yet. My milage went up about 3mpg after that.
Jun 24, 2003 (2:24 pm)
Technically, a tranny flush is not a power flush nor is it a back flush - the torque converter does all the work. The procedure should really be called a full fluid exchange. This has been a long-standing practice accepted & recommended by Ford, GM, & others. I've had this flush done for many years every 30k without any problems.
I also flush my power steering fluid as well - especially to help save the ZF rack in my V8 SHO.
Jun 24, 2003 (2:57 pm)
The place I used actually had a pump, it didn't use the TC.
#8020 of 11966 Boxtrooper Response
Jun 24, 2003 (3:59 pm)
2wd to 4wd conversions sound good. However in practice they are never that simple. You will likely have to replace just about every front end suspension component and maybe some rear end parts. For example oftentimes the shocks are different length (even on the rear), the rear driveshaft is different, even the brake lines can be longer on a higher riding more flexible 4 wd. Even the gear ratios are oftentimes different on 2wd vs. 4wd models.
As to adding your 5spd to a non-TOD equipped Trooper, are you sure the transfer case is the same? If not you will have to move that and the computer. Other stuff could also be different here too. For example, IIRC on the 2000 Troopers the exhaust pipes are different in manual vs. AT equipped Troopers. I think it would be much easier and cheaper to move the damaged sheet metal from 1 Trooper to another. There should be no real suprises here and you would have a vehicle with known mechanicals.
Do yourself a favor and drive a newer AT Trooper. This was my first AT vehicle ever. I have no desire to go back to manual shifting. So maybe you too can be converted.
Bottom line, you sound like you may love your damaged Trooper more than you pocketbook. Be careful.
#8021 of 11966 $11500 repair estimate for boxtrooper's Trooper
Jun 24, 2003 (5:11 pm)
That's what the appraiser from the insurance company told me. When any airbag goes off in a Trooper, all the sensors and electronics are to be changed together, there are 3 sensors at $600 each and then two airbags at $600 each and then the pasenger side aibag ripped the dash for another $1000+ and add $1000 labor to install the entire new airbag system... so just for airbags $5000!!!
Then the front end was new radiator and A/C condensor and all the support stuff plus hood and left fender and bumper etc.. for $3500.
Last there's the rear end where the big Volvo died, that bow in the left rear quarter and a new bumper and some minor body work the the bottom hing edge of the big door was only $2000 or so.
I have a initial offer of $5300 for my Trooper as a total loss payment. I have submitted copies of 1995 5 speed Troopers selling for $7100 and $7990 for comparison to ask for a bigger payment. I will also ask to hold my old Trooper until the new one is purchased and I take delivery just in case I want to swap tires (nearly new Dueler Revo's) or seats or floor mats etc...
My runs great drives straght 1995 Trooper is done for, maybe it will become a high power dune buggy for someone. Or maybe it will become a junk yard mule.
#8022 of 11966 What is the buyout
Jun 24, 2003 (5:52 pm)
How much could you purchase the vehicle back for?
#8023 of 11966 re: fluid flush / hmmm
Jun 24, 2003 (7:34 pm)
They pushed the tranny fluid through the lines & torque converter without the engine running?
IRRC, the small pump in the flush machines are low pressure to draw in new fluid feeding into the suction side & out discharge of the tranny cooler for the fluid exchange.
#8024 of 11966 offer on totaled Trooper
Jun 24, 2003 (7:37 pm)
boxtrooper, I'm surprised to hear your insurance company offer you so low on your truck. A few years back, Allstate paid us over $17k when our '96 Trooper was totaled. It amounted to full retail value at the time, which was probably $1-2k higher than replacement cost had I shopped for another one. Heck, we paid $15,500 for the truck and drove it almost a year and 25k miles! So they paid us almost $2k more than we bought the truck for.
I was nervous about getting shorted on the payout, but was very pleased that Allstate went above and beyond on the value and I did not need to negotiate at all.