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Isuzu Trooper, SUV
#7686 of 11964 Peterisme, I have found the opposite
Apr 29, 2003 (12:07 pm)
I have found the opposite of what you experienced regarding quality of Toyota Sienna versus Isuzu Trooper.
Our 1999 Sienna has been in several times for door adjustments, had to have the steering column replaced because of steering problems, got letter from Toyota about 'oil sludge' tendency with engine and recommends more timely oil changes (search internet for details), flip down visor mirror broke, and has cost us $500 to have the driver side electric window replaced.
Our 1999 Trooper = nothing wrong. Just routine maintenance.
#7687 of 11964 Vehicle Experiences
Apr 29, 2003 (7:41 pm)
Interesting discussion on Toyota vs. Isuzu vs. whatever. Keep in mind, though, that just because YOUR Toyota or YOUR Isuzu stalls or breaks often, it is not necessarily representative of the group as a whole. To buy based solely on your individual experiences is rather shortsighted. I have friends who bought more than one Jeep because "the last one I had ran forever." Guess what--based on the collective experiences of Jeep owners, your luck will run out far sooner than the person who bought a vehicle based on the big picture. Some people just don't care, though--check out Corvette owners. In the big picture, Corvettes are rather miserable to keep running correctly. However, 'Vette owners are collectively happy only because they own a Vette.
This board serves a vital function in getting the collective word out. The posters on this board are generally happy with their Troopers. Not so on discussion boards for other vehicles.
Apr 29, 2003 (7:59 pm)
I second that! My wife had a '93 Jeep Cherokee when we met, and overall it was a good vehicle though with more quality issues than my experience with Japanese vehicles and my '83 GTI. However, we then got a '99 Grand Cherokee to replace the first Jeep and had nothing but trouble. When I bothered to check Consumer Reports I found out that everything going wrong was entirely predictable based on their owner survey stats. If you talk to Jeep owners, most will say they love it despite problems. They're a lot like Harleys vs. Japanese bikes that way. We really loved the design, function and off-roadability of it, but ultimately got Daimler-Chrysler to buy it back. That's how we stumbled on the Trooper after finding nothing else that met our needs. Now we (esp. wife) love it. We just hope our dealer stays in business and we can get the full warranty benefits.
Apr 29, 2003 (8:06 pm)
Good Observation Serrano.
I keep up with several vehicles on this forum. My favorites include Jeep and Land Rover. The Jeep owners have a few common issues and the Land Rovers have a list a mile long. But both groups are very loyal to their respective brands. Like the Trooper board, there is a huge amount of information that includes great ideas from regular contributors that really know their stuff.
Other boards have a few brand loyalist, but include nightmare after nightmare on a large variety of service and repair issues.
Whenever a friend ask me about a possible car purchase, my first step is to recommend some research on Edmund's town hall. Reading 3000 post on this message board makes for a very educated consumer.
Thanks to everyone on this board for all your help and advice.
#7690 of 11964 RE: The posters on this board are generally happy with their Troopers
Apr 30, 2003 (2:43 pm)
If so, nobody will find out the complains/problems of the Trooper here. Then how can people make judgement on Trooper by this board?
#7691 of 11964 Another satisfied owner
Apr 30, 2003 (4:32 pm)
I too am satisfied with my '96 Trooper which now shows 125,000 on the clock.
It has had one unscheduled repair. It failed to start once in 7 years/125k miles and I replaced the OEM battery.
The maintenance every 60k miles, the expensive rotors, and the poor mileage make it more expensive to own than my BMW and (of course) my Miata. These cars too have flawless maintenance records.
The Trooper performance/reliability/value has been legendary. It is going to give way to a new Honda Pilot very soon, I can only hope the Honda will approach the quality and reliability of the ole' Trooper.
....and by the way, I haven't rolled it yet!
#7692 of 11964 Lack of postings of Troop issues
Apr 30, 2003 (6:57 pm)
Rather atypical isn't it compared to other vehicle make / model forums. Concerns are posted on all boards despite being fanatical about the product they drive - just human nature. It's just that there are very few issues that develop in the Isuzu Troopers - on this board or the others. I could talk quite a bit about issues surrounding my 2 SHO's but that's done within my board support group family to exhort their virtues & their failings.
With my '00 Troop., I've only had 2 defects. A rear pinion seal leak & an accelerator sensor both repaired under warranty, & a rattle in the rear door latch which is easily solved w/ a dab of wheel bearing grease...that's it. I thought about a 2nd Troop but I decided to just weld the 4 cam sprockets on my Gen III SHO instead to satisfy both of my driving needs.
I wasn't looking for a Troop as a 3rd vehicle - was looking at Jeeps, Toyota's, Nissan's & other 4wd's to serve the utilitarian needs I had to fill. Through a lot of research on this forum & others, I found a match - just glad I did! Boards / forums are an invaluable guide.
#7693 of 11964 Repairs complete
Apr 30, 2003 (8:57 pm)
They replaced the SOTF and a front Speed Sensor on the TOD unit. The Speed Sensor was what was leaking the dampness I saw, I had thought it to be a front axle seal.
All covered under my warranty
It's nice to have 2wd as an option again.
#7694 of 11964 Other than sceduled maintenance and stuff I wanted to do
May 01, 2003 (6:57 am)
the only thing that has gone bad on my 1995 Trooper with 140K has been the rear dome light bulb burned out because with the rear facing seat the kids leave it on all the time. And I put a hose clamp on an exhaust heat shield when it started to rattle a little.
We also keep a minivan, but trade out of it before the warrantee is up. 1st minivan 26 repairs in 45K miles many of them major like new transmission or the dashboard fell off. 2nd minivan only a half dozen repairs in 15K miles, and nothing major yet, only radio replaced three times and tires at only 19 miles on them and some adjustments, possible oil leak around valve covers.
Through all the minivans the Trooper is the one we depend on for most outings. Minivans carry more for really long trips.
May 01, 2003 (12:52 pm)
One can't make any judgement based on a small group of enthusiasts' anectotal reports. That'd be silly.
I think that folks that post negative comments on the Edmunds boards I follow get slammed too often (some of them are trolling and deserve it, but you clearly weren't).
I think so far you've just gotten one counter argument (anectodal, like your original statement) and one helpful comment (the intake manifold gasket is a frequent problem).
The best thing these boards can supply is an overall impression of a vehicle, a community, and a source of help.