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Isuzu Trooper, SUV
#4011 of 11966 sambino - 98 Troop for $10,995
Apr 13, 2002 (7:41 am)
Seems like a decent price. Not sure why the dealer's initial asking price would actually be decent (it's usually inflated), but that seems the case with that figure. However, condition (both mechanical and cosmetic) is important and that will have a big effect on the value of this vehicle.
Can you tell what trim level it is? All 1998 Troopers are "S" models but there are 2 major option packages which are available only on auto trans models. The Performance Package includes several things, including a better 4WD system (called Torque on Demand, or TOD) than the standard shift-on-the-fly system. The Luxury Package, which requires the Performance Package, includes leather interior, dual power front heated seats, giant moonroof, fog lamps, etc.
What else can you tell us about the truck? Manual or automatic? If automatic, does it have the TOD system? If there's a button to the right of the steering wheel, above the radio, that says "4WD Auto On/Off" then this Trooper has the TOD system.
If it's a manual trans Troop, then $10,995 isn't a real good price. If it's an auto trans but without the Performance Pkg, then that's an okay price. If it has the Performance Pkg, then that's a pretty good price. If it has the Luxury Pkg, I'd say the price is very good.
As a point of reference, our 98 Trooper has 63k miles. It's got the Performance Pkg and the 6-disc in-dash CD changer. It's been well taken care of. I'd like to think we could get $12-13k if we sold it privately. Perhaps that's a bit optimistic, but I have all service records, truck is in good shape, never off-road, etc.
Is the dealer an Isuzu dealer or some other dealer?
Even if some of the smart maintenance items have never been done on this truck (differential fluid changes, etc.), I'd say the damage hasn't been done since it's got only 75k miles. But note that this vehicle is totally out of the warranty period. Also, if you want to treat the truck right and the dealer can provide no service history, you will be looking at quite a few maintenance items if you want to get the up to date on the maintenance schedule.
The main thing is timing belt change interval, which is every 75k miles. You might tell the dealer you want the timing belt changed as part of the deal, so you don't have to spend $300-400 on that in the near future.
Hope this helps.
Apr 13, 2002 (7:16 pm)
I think that would be great! A re-incarnated Trooper as a Mother of all Foresters. It would have Subaru's all the time all wheel drive with good fuel economy and Subaru's horizontally opposed engine concept. But the ForesTrooperSter would be horizontally opposed turbo diesel with the new non turbine acoustic wave turbo / supercharger that does not have lag. It would also have low mounted batteries and a mechanizm to store braking energy. It would have a 30Kw auxiliary electrical output for worksite or home backup. And it would still have enough raw diesel power to pull 7000 lb. up the longest steepest grade, not super fast, but in a practical way like the Subarus do now. The ForesTrooperSter would have a road feel and off road ability like the Trooper only much better since it will be more than a decade newer design. The low center of gravity would deny CR the ability to get it up on two wheels. (maybe they could build into the vehicle computer the smarts to figure out when and idiot (CR) driver is trying to get it up on two wheels and stop them) And the final nice feature: the OnStar will be a user removeable optional item so they can only track where you go and listen to you if you want them to.
I like the 2003 Forester a lot but it cannot tow my boat.
#4013 of 11966 Price of a used Trooper
Apr 14, 2002 (3:50 am)
Perhaps I'm totally unrealistic guys, but I certainly would not sell my Trooper at anywhere near it's book value. The way I figure it, since my Trooper is in mint condition, and essentially like new, anyone buying it would have to pay close to a new price. I am not of the mind set to buy a vehicle and then take a depreciation loss thanks to the fickle nature of the buying public. My Trooper is what I expected it to be when I bought it. I plan to keep it for a very long time.
#4014 of 11966 Turbo diesel Jackaroo
Apr 14, 2002 (4:27 pm)
Took a dirt drive of a 2002 turbo diesel automatic Jackaroo yesterday. Absolutely awesome!
This vehicle doesn't have TOD, just shift-on-the-fly part time 4WD. It just about idled, up a 38 degree incline at less than 1500 rpm in 4H range. The engine braking coming back down was fantastic, just come off the throttle in 4L and she came down nice and slow.
I want one!
Apr 14, 2002 (9:58 pm)
Does anyone have any experience on what sort of life expectancy the factory brake pads on a Trooper have?
Mine are upto 43,000 kms, and my last couple of cars usually had the front pads replaced by now. The Trooper's are showing some wear, but not a great deal.
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Apr 14, 2002 (10:21 pm)
Several people have chimed in over the past year or two with their experience. Here's mine: 98 Trooper, 63k miles, no brake work yet. Haven't had the brakes inspected, but was thinking about doing that to get an idea of how much pad life is left. Don't want to burn through the pads and damage the rotors!
Trooper brake pads, at least here in the USA, seem to last a very long time. Several folks have reported more than 60k miles from a set of pads. This is much better than the experience I've had with all other vehicles I've ever owned.
Apr 15, 2002 (3:40 am)
I think it will depend on what kind of driving you do. I live in the mountains and my 96 needed new pads and rotors turned after 34K, which the mechanic said was typical for my type of driving. I heard the warning noise up front when I applied the brakes and thus took it in. Upon inspection the front brakes looked worse, but when they actually took them apart the rear brakes and rotors were in worse shape. I would recommend a good inspection at 30k if you do a lot of braking during normal driving. If it's mostly highway driving you might get twice the life.
Apr 15, 2002 (4:05 am)
I have a 1995 manual transmission Trooper-S. I went about 90K on the original set of brake pads. It was time to lube the wheel bearings so I changed the pads anyway even though they had about 1/3 life left. I put on a new set of genuine Isuzu pads brecause they work so well they are worth the 10% higher price. I tow a 4000# trailer and live in a hilly but not mountainous area.
I had a 1984 Trooper that also went 90K on the first brake pads. It was also a manual transmission.
I think the very fast brake pad replacement common on many vehicles today is because most automatic transmissions free wheel down hills to improve MPG. I find that feeling hard to get used to, when I let off the gas I want to feel the car slow down a bit. I think riding the brakes all the way down every hill is not a good idea, but it is todays normal way to do it for most cars.
I think the new Troopers have a sensor for letting the automatic transmissions so slow you down like a manual transmission on hills.
On GM minivans the transmission will stay hooked to the engine if you pull the shifter down from 4th-overdrive to 3rd. Then there is much more of a controlled feeling on hills, and I don't think MPG suffers much.
Apr 15, 2002 (4:26 am)
I have 37K so far and no brake work or problems. On my '97 Rodeo it went 70K on the first set of pads and I drive in heavy NYC traffic and when not in heavy traffic I drive on the highway usually pretty fast but out here you have to jam the brakes due to traffic even on the highway, so my brakes got a good workout.
#4020 of 11966 Paisan I'll make you a deal....
Apr 15, 2002 (5:56 am)
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