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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [mz6greyghost] by imidazol97
Jun 11, 2009 (4:18 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jun 11, 2009 3:51 am)

>Michelin = overpriced fair value
 
Michelin = fairly priced for excellent quality for being round, rolling round, and staying round through their oife. Michelin tires give excellent life and traction. And a person in a discussion recently bought Michelin radials at CostCo and took advantage of $70 off for 4 tire purchase.
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [capriracer] by obyone
Jun 11, 2009 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: capriracer (Jun 11, 2009 3:06 am)

The original poster asked about michelin vs pirelli.. My comment was a vote for michelin. Maybe I should have typed. Michelin ownz joo.
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [imidazol97] by mz6greyghost
Jun 11, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 11, 2009 4:18 am)

Michelin = fairly priced for excellent quality for being round, rolling round, and staying round through their oife. Michelin tires give excellent life and traction.
 
The same could be said for just about any other tire maker, but they're less expensive.
 
Case in point: OEM 17" tires for a 2004 Mazda 6 - Michelin Pilot HX MXM4. TireRack has them at $197 EACH, and that's the lowest price I've seen for them anywhere. Meanwhile, there are excellent choices listed from Dunlop, Kumho, and General, just to name a few, for less than $100 per tire.
 
Not only that, but after 35K miles on the Michelins, they were VERY loud, and the tread was barely the legal depth for NY. Wet traction was terrible from the beginning, and simply scary after 35K miles, and I bought snow tires after the first 2" snowfall that I experienced, because I had NO traction, especially on hills.
 
Considering there are excellent choices from other makers that excel above the Michelins in ALL areas (including my current Yokohama Avid W4S) and are far less expensive...
 
Yeah, they're overpriced.
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [mz6greyghost] by canadice
Jun 11, 2009 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jun 11, 2009 7:06 am)

Not sure how to post a new topic. Sorry if i am interrupting your train of thought. I have a Subaru outback legacy with about 160,000 miles on it.
 
My question is whether it is necessary to replace all 4 tires when I only need 2 new ones. My 2 front tires are about bald and rear tires still ahve a year of tread on them. I have heard mixed ideas on this topic from people I know, including mechanics. I know I need a 4-wheel alignment when I put tires on, but can i put the good rear 2 tires on the front, new ones on the back and do the 4-wheel alignment?
 
Thanks
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [canadice] by obyone
Jun 11, 2009 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: canadice (Jun 11, 2009 8:02 am)

The two new tires should be installed in the rear when purchasing two tires. Most shops will do this automatically.
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [mz6greyghost] by imidazol97
Jun 11, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jun 11, 2009 7:06 am)

>>excellent quality for being round, rolling round, and staying round through their life.
 
>same could be said for just about any other tire maker
 
It can be said, but it won't necessarily be true. There's a reason Michelins were the factory replacement of choice when GM was troubleshooting vibration on their H and C bodies. The Michelins were round under load. Other companies can cut costs on the build techniques but the product won't necessarily be the same. E.g., my Michelins on my 03 were 6, 8, 9, and 12 units of force on the Road Force balancer. The service manager said that other tires were way higher than that, including the popular brand of tire he was putting on a Grand Am the same day.
 
My experience has been that Michelins last a long time in miles. They give great service at staying round under load.
 
You may have a different opinion. I have mine from my experiences with Michelins through the years.
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [canadice] by krzyss
Jun 11, 2009 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: canadice (Jun 11, 2009 8:02 am)

I assume that you have AWD and then the answer is that if you do not want to replace your center diff then you should replace all 4 tires and rotate them more often.
If you check manual you should be able to find that Subaru suggests to use tires that are within 1/4" of each other, and it is 1/4" of circumference.
 
If you have quite new tires and need to replace one then it may make sense to replace one tire and put it wherever your subaru may notice it the least (like my 2005 Legacy GT has open front differential but LSD [Limited Slip Diff] in the rear - if I need to use one mismatched tire it would go on front axle).
Another option is to shave new tire(s) to match the old ones.
 
But if your 2 good tires are already worn then you need to replace 4.
 
Krzys
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [krzyss] by driveright
Jun 12, 2009 (3:37 pm)
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Replying to: krzyss (Jun 11, 2009 11:27 am)

Good answer. I would like to add that 1/4" of circumference equates to 1.27 32nds of tread. I rotate my Outback tires to keep the differences under 1/32nd.
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [driveright] by jeffyscott
Jun 13, 2009 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: driveright (Jun 12, 2009 3:37 pm)

This seems like a pretty difficult tolerance to maintain. How much air pressure difference would there need to be to have the same impact as 1/32 inch of tread depth? What is the tire manufacturer's tolerance for differences from one tire to the next of the same model?
 
For me this just adds a new reason for not wanting to bother with AWD.
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Re: Michelin vs. Pirrelli tires... [jeffyscott] by driveright
Jun 13, 2009 (5:06 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jun 13, 2009 6:25 am)

Oh well, more things to worry about. Maybe I'll save up my Subaru buxx so I'm ready when I need to buy a new differential. I do love how AWD handles in bad weather, though.

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