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You are in the Volvo XC90
What is this discussion about?
Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Acura MDX, Lexus RX 330, BMW X5, Cadillac SRX, Toyota Highlander, Volvo XC90, SUV
#458 of 1084 wwest, wmquan, etc.
Apr 14, 2003 (1:26 pm)
wwest - Hi Willard, long time no see! Actually the MDX now has stability control which was added in an attempt to correct for severe oversteer at the limit and also to catch up to marketing trends established by BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus. No doubt, however, that on any road, the X5 is dynamically superior to the MDX.
wmquan - You're right, the MDX's side airbags still offer no head protection. Of course, now that the market leaders have them, Honda/Acura will no doubt follow suit, as usual.
hopeitsfriday - I priced out a BMW X5 3.0 with automatic and moonroof and got a TMV of $41,800. The TMV I got for an Acura MDX Touring is $39,800...that's only a $2000 difference.
Apr 14, 2003 (2:08 pm)
I didnt go by TMV, instead I use the MSRP. I think we all know that the TMV is not always right. I know for a fact that there is very little negotiation room on both SUV and I dont think anyone is still paying a premium over MSRP for the MDX.
I price out an X5 with the premium package, dakota Leather Upholstery, auto transmission, cold weather and climate package. The MSRP for X5 with the equipment mentioned above is: $48,170, and $38,800 for the MDX touring.
As you can see, still about a $10,000 difference.
Apr 14, 2003 (5:03 pm)
Re: Post #455.
"the MDX had more space, better gas mailage, better reliability and I think the MDX is safer because its a bigger SUV."
Flawed thinking my friend. Bigger doesn't necessarily mean safer. Also, I'm sure the BMW is heavier, which matters more. You know about a little thing called Momentum? Also if I was buying a SUV with safety being the one and only criteria, I would jump on a X5 since despite what you say, the X5 does have head airbags and the MDX surely does not.
So, what happens if somebody doesn't need all the space the MDX offers? Is the MDX still a better SUV? Or what if one values handling in a SUV over space? Is the MDX still the better SUV? How about someone who want's more safety equipment? is the MDX still the better SUV?
Apr 14, 2003 (5:30 pm)
Yes, I do know about Momentum, but in this case, weight is not really an issue. The MDX's curb weight is 4473, while the X5 comes in at 4533. A difference of 60 pounds, all things considered, it weights the same. If one SUV is safer than another, it not by much, they are both safe SUVs.
If I was buying a SUV with safety being the one and only criteria, the XC90 is prabably safer than both of these SUV.
If you doesn't need all the space and values handling over space? Then you should consider a 318XI, its got the same 4WD system as the X5 and its a bit sportier and also a bit cheaper.
Apr 14, 2003 (6:42 pm)
how will the SRX compare to the X5? It won't be as light or nimble as a 318xi, but it should be lighter than an X5
probably lighter than an XC90
Will it handle better?
How has Cadillac reliability been? As good as BMW? As good as the MDX?
I could buy a Rendezvous with the new engine, and just a buy a new one when I got tired of it or the handles started falling off, and STILL not spend what an X5 costs.
Apr 14, 2003 (9:24 pm)
The Premium package costs $4000! Does anyone really need power rear seatbacks, poplar wood trim, and power passenger seat?
Instead, get an X5 with leatherette (the MDX seats are mostly vinyl, after all) and get the specific options you want a la carte.
Apr 14, 2003 (10:04 pm)
Or what if one values handling in a SUV over space?
Then you buy a wagon that handles well - WRX comes to mind. Half the price of the 3.0 X5, same (or more) cargo space, and demolishes the X5 in speed and handling (and mileage). Downsides - not as lux and ride height isn't there. If you want lux go Audi S4 for a lot more money and then you are only trading off ride height and a nice looking emblem (not that Audi's isn't nice).
Interesting tradeoffs if handling is your thing.
Apr 15, 2003 (5:48 am)
First you say the MDX is safer due to size, then you say they are basically both the same in terms of size? Make up your mind.
#466 of 1084 maxhonda99 & fedlawman
Apr 15, 2003 (6:44 am)
maxhonda99: I said I thought the MDX is safer in my opinion because its bigger, and its just my opinion. I never said the X5 was the same size as the MDX, its obviously not, what I did say was that they weight about the same, and if one vehicle is safer than another, its not by much.
fedlawman: Come on lawman, vinyl seats on a BMW, not a chance in hell would I settle for that.
Anyway, we were comparing similarly equipment X5 and MDX, and the MDX comes with most of the options on the X5's Premium package, also alot of the options on the Premium package cannot be brought via a la carte.
Apr 15, 2003 (9:07 am)
"vinyl seats on a BMW, not a chance in hell would I settle for that."
But you settled for vinyl in your Acura? Don't worry, I won't tell your friends...
"we were comparing similarly equipment X5 and MDX"
There is no such thing because both vehicles have mutually exclusive options. Adding the $4000 premium package simply adds more stuff that the MDX doesn't have. Better to say that the MDX and X5 (without Premium package) are comparably equipped, and leave it at that.
Of course, saavy enthusiasts like us choose a car for the way it performs, not because it has headlight washers, right?.