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Mercedes-Benz M-Class, Acura MDX, Lexus RX 330, BMW X5, Cadillac SRX, Toyota Highlander, Volvo XC90, SUV
#224 of 1084 Consider X5 and 2002 ML320
Apr 30, 2002 (12:43 pm)
Does any one considering 2002 X5 and ML320.
The review said MB fixed the poor built quality issue with new 2002 model, and the dealer in NJ is asking 1200 over the Invoice (which is almost 3k less than the MSRP).
BMW dealer told me that there is 5-6 weeks waiting period for X5, and they are not selling it a dime below the MSRP, which makes X5 5k more than the ML320 model with similar configuration.
But the Quality Issue of old ML320 really bugs me.
Can anyone advise on this one?
#225 of 1084 ..& my choice is...
Apr 30, 2002 (2:38 pm)
I've been scoping this & other sites for quite awhile now trying to decide which SUV to get among these 4 guys (MDX,ML,X5 & RX). After driving these, some for long weekend trips, thanks to my mom's 2002 RX, & sister's 2002 ML, I found that RX is too isolated, has turning radius of a UHaul moving truck, not thrilled w/ its center consol. ML is solid but don't like the minivan look. X5 drives the best, like a sports car w/ all that sequential shifting & stuff, unfortunately has the interior size of a car & cargo space less than that of a car. Was very impressed with MDX's overall capabilities & characteristics, so I ordered one. Thanks for your inputs.
#226 of 1084 Congratulations tso2001
Apr 30, 2002 (4:18 pm)
You have chosen well tso2001. As an MDX owner let me assure you that you will not be sorry. A site you might like to check out is the acuramdx.org I found tons of useful information relating to the MDX. After delivery, post your numbers (price paid) and options chosen on the Edmunds MDX site so others can benefit from your experience. How long is your wait for delivery?
May 01, 2002 (4:20 am)
is solid but don't like the minivan look
If the "minivan look" kept you out of Benz, why'd you find it acceptable with the MDX? Every review I read mentioned the MDX's mini-van look (the MB actually looks more like a milk truck, not a minivan) and I thought the same thing when I drove it. You do know the MDX is a Honda minivan underneath, right? Sure you wouldn't be just as happy with the (MDX clone and) lower-priced Honda Pilot when it rolls out in a few months?
Regardless, it's a nice vehicle and you should be happy with it.
#228 of 1084 my decision based on my overall needs
May 01, 2002 (10:17 am)
thanks, gotothelight, here in PHX it takes 1.5 to 2 months MSRP. greenlatern, ML looks too much like an extra large Kia Sportage, IMHO, too much roundness. My sister's ML even has the AMG sport package but that still didn't convince me. I feel comfortable in MDX, like the view from inside, the sharp edges outside, roominess, handling... all these litte things outweight the others. Cost is irrelivant to me since they're all in the same price range. I can tell you that if X5 were larger, it would have been my choice.
#229 of 1084 X5 vs. ML500
May 06, 2002 (5:20 pm)
I have been talking to some people about BMW and Mercedes SUV's. I am puzzled with the fact that someone can get an ML500 with approx. $800 above invoice, while they have to pay almost full MSRP for the X5(the best i heard in the SF bayarea is $1000 off MSRP) which is still about $3k above Invoice. Assuming this is demand vs. supply, is BMW X5 really that much more popular than the ML500? I have never driven the ML500 so maybe there are some signaficant performance difference between the two?
May 06, 2002 (7:33 pm)
The ML is in its fifth model year, and supply has caught up with demand. MB has been offering late-model-year incentives on top of the up-from-invoice pricing. The X5 is still relatively new and in good demand.
You should drive the ML500, I think you'll like the performance. The V8 is quite powerful, certainly more so than the X5 3.0's V6. A well-equpped ML500 can be bought for under $50k which certainly compares favorably with the 8-cylinder X5.
#231 of 1084 X5 vs. ML500
May 07, 2002 (9:50 am)
thanks for the info. i started looking for an upscale SUV not too long ago and that's the experience i have encountered. i visited a few BMW lots and I could hardly find any X5's. when I talked to the dealer, they said almost everything is ordered. This is quite a different scene from the MB lots where there are quite a bit of M classes to choose from. i wonder if they would increase the production of X5 to meet the popular demand in the near future.
#232 of 1084 X5 Reliability
May 07, 2002 (8:37 pm)
I see a lot of messages with concerns about reliability. My X5 3.0 non-sport auto was delivered in May 2001. I have 19000 miles on it now. The only reliability issue has been with the aux. fan which was replaced twice. Since then, reliability has been 100%. The car is incredible. Performance is great and mileage locally is 18.5. Trips range between 22.5 and 24.5 with road speeds about 75-80 mph on the Interstates. Handling and comfort are tops. Best car I ever owned. Radio and overall sound system are tops. I have added the factory hitch and the BMW CD changer. The X5 hauls my boat better than the Ford Explorer I previously owned. (About 4000 lbs.)
#233 of 1084 re: X5 reliability
May 08, 2002 (7:32 am)
I don't even consider the aux fan to be a "reliability issue" -- the actual probability of a failure was pretty low as I recall. Still, it was nice to let them have it for a day while I zipped around in the Z3 loaner.
The real problem isn't reliability (which IMO is "starts, goes, stops"), it's the minor nagging issues like peeling door handles, mooing steering columns, and strange key memory behavior. Fortunately the warranty covers everything and it's reflected in the new total cost of ownership calculator (showing $0s for maintenance & repair for the 1st 3 years).
IMO none of that takes away from the X5's amazing performance characteristics. Mine seemed to really break in after 5K miles -- torque curve feels extremely flat up to 6K rpms. I've taken to driving mine in steptronic manual mode as it gives me more control over engine power, but I always have the option of throwing it over to "D" and letting the software do the work. Pretty cool. I'm with you -- best vehicle I've ever had.
I imagine the X5's lack of cargo space keeps most potential buyers away, although the max payload of the X5 is higher than a lot of competitors with better volume characteristics. I suppose it all depends on whether you're hauling bars of gold or bags of marshmallows.