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#1660 of 4076 mreid72 - my 2 cents by chuckee98 Aug 31, 2001 (12:09 pm)
Your questions, and my answers follow. I kept it brief, if you need clarification or more info, let me know.   How have you used your SUV?   I currently own a 2001 Yukon XL 1500 (1/2 ton), which was bought to replace a 1995 Honda Passport. It is used a a daily driver.   How many people do you usually carry around?   Wife and two toddlers.   How much luggage space do you have?   With the third row up, enough space to haul at least a dozen standard size grocery bags, with room still to spare. With the row down, (rather flipped up and stowed), a double stroller, a single umbrella stroller, two kids sized suitcases, two adult carryons, five beach chairs, beach toys, beach blankets, three buckets, (you get the picture). I bought the Yukon XL to replace the Passport because I basically ran out of room. I had a Yakima Rocket Box on the roof that I used to haul the strollers around in. When I vacationed in Ocean City, MD two years ago, I had the Passport PACKED, with the Rocket Box. This year, going to Bethany Beach, DE, the YXL wasn't even close to being packed, and that's WITHOUT the Rocket Box (third row flipped up and stowed). We looked at the Honda Odyssey, Ford Expedition, GMC Yukon, Toyota Sequoia, and Dodge Durango before settling on the YXL. Minivans don't have enoough room behind the third row. One double stroller, and you're done. Same for all the other short wheelbase SUVs. The fact that I can have the third row available, and still have the double stroller, AND still have room for groceries sold us on the YXL. Plus, as an added bonus, if you get the second row bench, you can fit eight passengers rather than seven in a minvan.   How much room is there in the 3rd row of seats?   Sufficient for adults. Compared to a minivan, not quite as comfortable, because the height of the seat cushion is shorter than that of the minivans. The regular Yukon is impossible to tolerate for any distance, as the height from the seat cushion to the floor is almost non-existant. The seat bottom actually rests on the floor, and there is no foot well for the third row passengers. This is the same for the Sequoia, but the seat cushion is higher (thicker), so it isn't as bad. The YXL actually has a foot well for the third row pasengers. Can't remember if the Durango or the Expedition has one. Ruled out the Expedition because there was no headroom. Ruled out the Durango because the seat cushion was too short - felt like I was sitting on a ledge. Ruled out the Sequioa because they wanted $ 5K MORE than what I was paying for YXL. Make sure you sit and spend some time in the third rows of all the SUV's that you try out.   How much trouble is it to get into the 3rd row of seats?   Easy, since GM finally got their act together with the tilt and slide forward second row seat. Much better than the old way of folding up the seat cushion and then folding down the seat back to get in. Not as easy as a minivan, but you get the extra seat capacity that you can't in a minvan. If you get the second row buckets, it's even easier.    How does the vehicle perform in bad weather conditions? (rain, snow, ice, etc.)   No problems, but I've only had it through one winter so far. With dedicated snow and ice (winter) rated tires (NOT all season tires), I've been able to get by without even using the four wheel drive. I used it anyway just to give it some exercise.   What do you NOT like about your SUV?   The usual GM build quality and dealer BS. It doesn't feel like a $ 40K truck. The minor troubles that are well known for these vehicles. But I knew this before I bought the truck, and was willing to deal with it - fixing them myself.   I would also like to know approx. how much you paid for yours and what model it is along with the options you purchased. That way, I can better compare apples to apples.   2001 Yukon XL 1500 (1/2 ton) 4WD, 1 SD package, barn doors, 4.10 ratio rear locker, sunroof, skid plates, running boards. Stickered at $ 43K and change. Paid $ 750 over invoice, just over $ 39K. Purchased fall of 2000, delivery in winter. You can get a much better deal these days, usually under invoice.
#1661 of 4076 8.1 liter by buster27 Aug 31, 2001 (12:25 pm)
To whatever7-  I have a 3/4ton, 8.1 liter, 3.73 axle ratio. Gas mileage around town averages 12mpg. Just returned from 1000 mile trip without the trailer and got 14-15mpg at 70-75mph. Pulling our 9000lb trailer, I get 8-9mpg. Do you have the 4.10 rearend?  Have been very happy with performance. Just wish they could do something about the engine clatter on startup when cold. I've heard they are making changes to the 8.1 for 2002 to get rid of the noise.  Ride is better than any 3/4ton Suburban I have ever owned. (I've had a 76,85,89,93, and 96--all 3/4 ton)  Only complaints-- Spare tire mounted outside(don't care anything about a stupid subwoofer), and a smaller gas tank (38 vs 42gals in my old Suburban)
#1662 of 4076 WATER LEAK !!!- by yukonxlxpert1 Aug 31, 2001 (12:53 pm)
Has anyone had water under their drivers side carpet ? My dealer claims it is coming from the grommet through tthe firewall, where I had added in extra wires for my emergency lights and siren.The dealer's "water guy" checked it and claims they are right, however even in the slighest rain , where the grommet is dry, I am still getting water . HELP !!The carpet is beginning to smell
#1663 of 4076 8.1 Liter by whatever7 Aug 31, 2001 (1:40 pm)
Buster27, We must be heavy footed ... we to have the 3.73 and although we do not religious track MPG I can honestly say that we have never approached 14-15 MPG. I think the best we have ever done on mostly highway driving is about 12.5. We are alsoo very happy with the truck and quite frankly do not really care about the gas mileage. If we did I suppose that we would drive a minivan (cringe). I did talk to both the dealer and to GM about the piston clatter on a cold start up and both have told me that a fix is coming for 2001 8.1's that involves puting in new pistons. That is a pretty scary proposition to me. They also claim that the noise will not hurt anything. If that is true I would rather put up with the noise (unless the fix is dropping a new engine in). Although I find it hard to believe that they would go the expense of fixing it if it was not causing any harm. The other interesting thing is that the GM customer service line told me that the fix would be available September or October and the dealer (this week) told me January.
#1664 of 4076 Thanks whatever7 and buster27 for the helpful posts by muncho Aug 31, 2001 (2:24 pm)
You've convinced me I need to have my wife test drive the 8.1 again and see if she can live with the ride of the 3/4 ton. You summed up my thoughts exactly when you said if you are going to spend 40K you might as well get the most powerful engine.   Thanks.
#1665 of 4076 8.1 liter by buster27 Aug 31, 2001 (5:50 pm)
We certainly didn't buy the 8.1 for the gas mileage either. I've just been pleasantly surprised that it is equal to and sometimes better than the 454 that I had in my 96. It has awesome power, and is a great trailer tower.  I agree with you about the cold start clatter. Don't know if I want them to tear down my engine to put in new pistons. Would rather keep this engine and GM provide an extended warranty- possibly out to 100,000 miles, as an alternative to ripping out my old pistons. Good point about the fix-- if the clatter is not hurting anything, why are they going to the trouble and expense of putting in new pistons?  To muncho- I'm not trying to tell you that the 3/4ton rides like a 1/2ton. But, with the Autoride suspension, it's better than any other 3/4ton Suburban I've ever owned. I need the power of the 8.1 to pull our RV, and I'm very happy with the way it rides.
#1666 of 4076 Yukon XL Gas milage by joe_jensen Aug 31, 2001 (6:13 pm)
I didn't buy the Yukon XL for gas milage, so I don't really care. But...we have 15,000 miles on out 5.3L 3.73 2001 Yukon XL. We get 11 mpg in town on every tank. We get between 14-15 mpg on trips driving 80-85 mph. Seems like we got a gas milage lemon. At least it doesn't use any oil...joe
#1667 of 4076 drivetrain losses (muncho) by rdtaylor Aug 31, 2001 (7:22 pm)
The drivetrain losses of the 8.1L (4L80E transmission & heavy rear end) are relatively high (40-45%). The 4L80E and larger rear end is built for strength and tow capacity.   By contrast, the Denali 6.0L (or Burb 5.3L)drivetrain losses are only about 25%.   These are from dyno measurements made by Whipple.
#1668 of 4076 2002 Sub/YUK XL- 6 doors and 4 wheel steering by tmjdds Sep 01, 2001 (6:29 pm)
I thought that I read that GM may introduce a 6 door version and 4 wheel steering. Will it be available in 2002?
#1669 of 4076 Water Leak-front carpet wet by uncommonman Sep 02, 2001 (4:49 am)
I remember reading one of these threads several months ago about this same problem with the front carpet getting wet. There is a TSB on this. I cannot find the copy I printed, but it involves a rubber seal at the threshhold of the REAR door, which lets water in and makes the front carpet wet. Have your dealer check this out. It sounds as if they want it to be your grommet, so it is not their problem. Good luck.

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