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#2093 of 4149 RE: onthehunt and alwaysed
Jun 09, 2003 (8:28 pm)
onthehunt: According to C&D and the Ford corporate website, the 2004 Escape will be available with the hybrid drivetrain.
As for metallic paint flaking in the sun, I think that was more a problem ten years ago. GM had huge problems with their metallic paints in the early 90's. In fact, they were forced to repaint thousands of cars (especially blue and silver Blazers). My '94 Mazda MX-6 (ruby red metallic) was so afraid of rocks that it threw chips of paint at the incoming pebbles in preemptive strikes. Unfortunately, it used this tactic so many times that the car had no paint left on the front end and Mazda had to repaint it at 6,000 miles. (Never got a chance to see how it liked the sun).
alwaysed: I just bought a 2003 Tribute ES and noticed the same "problem" with the mushy brake pedal. The technicians told me it was normal. Because it hasn't caused me any problems, I'm not complaining (yet).
#2094 of 4149 ? Ford/Mazda affilitation
Jun 09, 2003 (9:46 pm)
In 17 years of purchasing, no offense but you wouldn't know the difference if you solely bought Ford products (the ignorance is bliss comment comes to mind).
I'm sure the Escape's price and feature content has a lot to do with sales, plus they are great driving/handling vehicles. That's why Ford's lunch is spoiling while they try to correct customer satisfaction and quality issues, hence extended warranties on problematic cars and certifing dealerships. I can't imagine paying 45-50k for an Expedition and having the same treatment as I have received. Early part failure and poor service are trademarks of American brands I can definitely attest to (early GM advocate now recovering)
Brand loyality goes a long way. Sorry product doesn't. Even a crack addict will tell you the benefits of his addiction. If you are used to replacing parts, engine failure, safety concerns, and recalls it may not seem like anything is wrong with your vehicles. Just read the very large number of posts here and on Espcape.com that comment on the lack of recognition of problems by the dealers padding the bottom lines. I am used to purchasing quality, reliable vehicles that will run for 200k not like the 32k I have with numerous unresolved problems by the dealer/thief.
I don't know if you frequent used car lots but there is a very healthy selection of 01-02 Escapes/Tributes available which tells me their owners are escaping them. And my local Ford dealer, the largest in my state, has some NEW 02 Escapes on the lot that have been there since October 02.
I hope indeed you make it to 100k. I hope we both do. But my first 1/3 of the way has not been promising. I'm sure way before that time Ford/Mazda will be just a sour taste in the back of my mouth. I'm even considering replacing my beloved Miata as a result of this whole fiasco.
Good Luck and demand quality!
Jun 10, 2003 (9:08 am)
scape did say he had not had any problems at all...I don't think he would have said that if he had had recalls and engine replacements or whatever.
My friend's '03 LX-V6 just crested 20K miles...no problems of any kind for him, and I drive it occasionally and cannot detect any sort of problem or unusual behavior (and I am a Toyota fan and owner, myself). My thinking is that while there were many problems with the '01s when they first came out, by the 2003 model year they had it all worked out. I am surprised they cannot apply those learned lessons to the early vehicles.
vinnyny: C&D reports that the 2005 Tribute/Escape will be available IN 2004 with the hybrid powertrain, as does the current MT...hopefully there will be no further delays...
#2096 of 4149 rattle in front - clunk sound
Jun 10, 2003 (1:05 pm)
To message #2090:
You might want to check your tie rod ends - this sometimes happens with front wheel drive
Jun 10, 2003 (2:34 pm)
also the rattle (or clicking) in the front end might be the lugs are not properly tightend. I had this happen to me. I heard a clicking when I would turn left, had the dealer look at it, the lugs were not tightend all the way on 2 lugs.
Hope this helps.
#2098 of 4149 02whitetrib
Jun 10, 2003 (6:52 pm)
Sorry for your problems. Although you own a Tribute not a Ford. (just kiddin, I recognize that both are the same vehicle).
Anyway, to me it sounds like you have as much of a dealership problem as you do a problem with the product.
brake noise with new pads: did they replace rotors, or just pads. Also it is suprising that you would need either on an 02 Trib. I have an 01 Escape with origional brakes that are still in fine shape with 30k miles. (as I would expect)
trans shudder: I've not heard of many Escapes with tranny problems. Usually those are more easily to duplicate.
frequent lighting of dash lights for no reason: ouch, I don't think I've heard of electrical problems being common except for the stalling issue that has since been addressed. I agree, any electrical problems suck as they always seem to be intermittent when they do occur.
difficulty cranking at times: I can honestly say I've heard it from you first.
squeaks, rattles, vibrations: I've heard of others that have some rattles (rear window or latch comes to mind), but their dealerships seemed to address the problem. (see on another sites message board).
horrible interior smell-like mildew: I've heard this can be caused if while parked you leave the AC on MAX or the air handler to the 0 (off) position, which causes all of the flaps for outside air to be shut.
The other unique situation you have is that your other SUV is the Lexus. But that doesn't justify the problems you describe.
#2099 of 4149 Very Happy 2001 XLT Owner
Jun 11, 2003 (4:00 am)
Loaded model, now at 45k and no problems except a squeak in the first 1000 miles (fixed immediately, permanently) and a little stickiness in the throttle pedal that needs attention. Getting 22 mpg over the road. Time for new tires soon. Just came back to Virginia from a 1500 mile trip to New England. Zero problems. Comfy ride. Everything works, no weirdness at all.
Your mileage may vary....
#2100 of 4149 Re: Very Happy 2001 XLT Owner
Jun 11, 2003 (4:44 am)
I had that "stickiness in the throttle" too.
Go to the dealer and insist for changing throttle body. That is the cause of this problem.
I've had the same problem and it was finally fixed after four trips to the dealer.
#2101 of 4149 Rattle and clunk
Jun 11, 2003 (1:33 pm)
To message #2097... new tires put on 100 miles ago and the noise was already there. Made an appointment at the dealer and she goes in tomorrow to get that rattle checked out. I will mention the tie rod ends to them, for I mentioned stableizer bar. THANKS for your help!
Jun 11, 2003 (11:15 pm)
I am so happy that some of you are having a great experience with "any" vehicle. This however has not been the case with me and my Tribute. If any of you read these threads completely you will see person after person reporting the same problems. Go to Escape-central.com and read the horror stories. Dedicated, loving Escape/Trib owners have been let down by the product and the dealerships.
This has been my bad experience. Mazda has chosen to ignore me. It makes me feel really good to tell others of my experience and inform ppl of what a sorry company Forzda is. And I tell anyone who listens to avoid Mazda. YMMV!
My Tribute was purchased 1/02 while my Lexus was purchased 3/03. I was having the Trib problems long before I purchased the Lexus. And yes Lexus has spoiled and pampered me so that I am sure I'll be a buyer for life now. When the Lexus rolled off the dealer's lot new, it was perfect, quality control was 1st rate. My Trib went back after 3 weeks of new purchase with 3 pages of problems. Most of which still haunt me.
Ford could learn a lot from Lexus!!