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#1921 of 4149 Stalling Problem
Dec 10, 2002 (3:31 pm)
Is anyone having this Stalling problem on a 2002 Tribute? All of the problems I've seen about this were on 2001. I have a 2002 with 18K miles and have not experienced this problem. I have however, had door rattles and yesterday we had a throttle body replaced because the accelerator was sticking when you tried to accelerate from a stand...so far Mazda has fixed the problems but the rattles keep coming back.
#1922 of 4149 This stalling
Dec 10, 2002 (7:00 pm)
issue was a very small percentage of Escapes/Tributes. Get out on the net and visit other chat rooms you will see for yourself. Looks like the Escape/Trib have moved up on consumer reports.... I had a good feeling the black eye of initial 01 Escape/Tribute issues would fade.
Dec 10, 2002 (7:38 pm)
Yes, Scape2. I too see some improvement in the 2002 CR rankings...
30% Honda CR-V*
28% Subaru Forester
25% Toyota RAV4
20% Hyundai Santa Fe
18% Nissan Xterra
8% Saturn VUE*
5% Pontiac Aztek*
-2% Jeep Liberty V6*
-5% Chevrolet Tracker
-6% Suzuki Vitara/Grand Vitara/XL-7
-32% Ford Escape V6
-32% Mazda Tribute V6
-50% Jeep Wrangler
Dec 11, 2002 (7:28 am)
What do your CR percentages represent?
#1925 of 4149 varmit continued
Dec 11, 2002 (7:51 am)
Also, what does the asterisk next to some of the vehicles represent?
Dec 11, 2002 (9:12 am)
I didn't want to belabor the point... but here goes.
The percentages are the vehicle's numeric score as compared to the industry standard. A zero % rating would mean that the vehicle is of average reliability for the industry. A positive value is better than average and a negative value is worse than average. IIRC, the last ranking for the Escape was something like -40%, so, either the industry average has dropped (it hasn't), or the Escape has made some progress (not much).
CR bases it's data on surveys sent to their users. When they compile this information, they use the last 3 years information (unless the vehicle is newly redesigned, like the CR-V). The asterisk mark indicates those models which have fewer than 3 years worth of data. There are also models which do not have enough data to be statistically significant on a yearly basis (such as the Aztek, which doesn't sell enough units per year). Since the Escape/Tribute has no "*", we can conclude that they have a statistically significant sample for each of the three years included in their surveys.
As Baggs will point out, we do not have the total number of surveys for each vehicle. Since a larger sample is more reliable than a smaller sample, it makes 100% perfect comparisons impossible. Each vehicle could have a different potential for statistical variation.
The relationship with the industry average is still solid, since that includes all vehicles regardless of class (a plenty big sample).
Dec 11, 2002 (10:31 am)
"As Baggs will point out, we do not have the total number of surveys for each vehicle."
I guess your finally sick of hearing me say that?
To make a long story short, CR only requires a return of 100 surveys to make a vehicle eligible. That means one vehicle could have received 100 while a competing vehicle may have received 1000 thus making it's margin of error lower.
I'd also like to point out that it was posted on another Escape forum that the CR 2003 Auto Buyers Guide has the Escape tied with the Santa Fe for third in reliability. Varmint's numbers are the most recent numbers posted on CR's web site. No one seems to be able to confirm the paper version's numbers so far. I myself find it a little hard to believe that a vehicle could make such a leap in one year though. Unless CR's numbers are just as unreliable as some of the vehicles they report on.
Dec 11, 2002 (10:35 am)
Third out of how many? =)
Dec 11, 2002 (10:47 am)
"Third out of how many? =)"
That I don't know, and no one else seems to have seen the issue. Since it is tied with the Santa Fe for third, I'd say third out of at least four.
#1930 of 4149 larry 51k rear wiper
Dec 13, 2002 (7:51 am)
I had my rear wiper replaced under warranty this summer. The service folks never even batted an eye when I told them the original wiper only cleared half the glass. In fact, they said they've seen that in a lot of Escapes. If yours is still under warranty, maybe the third wiper is the charm! My replacement has been great so far.