Last post on Dec 02, 2013 at 4:13 PM
You are in the Ford Escape
What is this discussion about?
Ford Escape, Mazda Tribute, SUV
Go to NHTSA to file a safety complaint.
Or call Monday-Friday (8 am to 8 pm ET) (888) 327-4236 TTY: (800)424-9153
#1902 of 4149 In all fairness ... (long)
Nov 27, 2002 (12:08 pm)
"Separately, NHTSA said it had also upgraded an investigation into thousands of complaints about engines stalling without warning on Ford's Escape compact sport-utility vehicle and the Tribute SUV sold by Ford's Mazda subsidiary.
The complaints involve vehicles from the 2001 and 2002 model years, NHTSA said."
and this one:
"NHTSA said Ford had received 3,274 complaints about the Focus engine problem and added that the stalling had allegedly caused 16 crashes and three injuries."
Tells you that something is going on. 3,274 people wouldn't be filing complaints about their Focus engines stalling if they were happy with it's reliability. Also, NHTSA isn't going to upgrade an investigation into the Escape/Tribute without at least some evidence. "Thousands" would technically be at least 2 thousand. If there are that many reported incidents of stalling, while it might be statistically small, it's of little comfort to you personnaly if you end up being the minority percentage of problem afflicted owners.
While I understand loyalty to a favorite vehicle, I don't see some healthy skepticisim toward symptoms of possible design/quality defects as out of line. Especially if you follow Detroits history of using statistically influenced financial decisions on reparing/recalling defects versus letting the customer battle it out with the dealer. This likely occurs with the asian automakers also.
Just to be fair, I also see the new 02 CRV as having quality issues I never had with an earlier model. However, none of them I've read on this board referenced any engine stalling, but were more nuisance issues.
Having followed the Escape/Tribute board for quite some time (I thought about purchasing an Escape about a year ago) I don't really see any concerted effort to mar the Escape's reputation. More likely, as in my case, a little disapointment in what seems to be a really neat design, marred by even the small number of reported stalling/other issues.
As my old bandmaster used to tell our band many, many years ago, it doesn't matter if everyone of you march in perfect step and never miss a note, one person out of line is what the crowds in the stands notice. Sticks out like a sore thumb. Unfortunately, that fact is true.
Nov 27, 2002 (4:39 pm)
try using Rain-x on your Rear window.... You won't have to use the wiper as much.
#1904 of 4149 Looking for a good price on a 2003 Tribute
Dec 02, 2002 (6:08 pm)
We are looking for a 2003 Tribute LX. We found a 2W drive, no moon roof or towing package for $23,500. Dealer does not want to move much. However an internet dealer in Atlanta has the same car for $19,710 ($1,000) below dealer invoice. We have never dealt with an internet dealer before. What should we be cautious of and is the local dealer likely to move if given internet figures?
#1906 of 4149 dglandon
Dec 02, 2002 (7:27 pm)
Offer your dealer $21000 ($300 over invoice), and politely walk away at anything over $500 over invoice and go to another dealer..
For sure you could buy the Escape at that price and its the same vehicle.
#1907 of 4149 Catastrophic failures!
Dec 03, 2002 (11:54 am)
Previous post mentioned talking to 14 owners with no catastrophic failures... well, here's my story: Bought my 2002 Escape in Oct. 2001. Drove it for about 2950 miles (ready for my first oil change) and BAM, at 60 MPH on the interstate in cruise control, the engine gave up the ghost. Just died. Diagnosis? Seized engine. Apparently the piston pin cracked in cylinder 5. No one volunteered this. I had to read the mechanics notes surreptitiously. Ford replaced the engine and I negotiated a longer warranty (good thing I didn't pay for it in the first place!) to 5 years/75k with a $50 deductible. I'm now at 17,000 miles and the only problem so far has been a necessary recharge on the A/C related to an improper evacuation during the engine swap. I'm having concerns about the tranny right now but I'll see where that goes. I'd rather have it totally fail and have it replaced than to visit the dealer every week and have them tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
I filed the information with NHTSA.
Not happy about the incident but I do love the Escape. It works well and suits my needs perfectly. It handles better than a Taurus and carries my skis much more effectively.
#1908 of 4149 Stalling Problems?
Dec 03, 2002 (11:47 pm)
I am getting ready to purchase a 2002 Escape, however was wondering if these problems are noted on the XLS model with manual transmission. The price is excellent and there are only 5200 miles on the odometer - makes me wonder why it was traded in so soon. I'm taking it to my mechanic tomorrow before I purchase. Should I have him look for anything in particular?
Dec 04, 2002 (5:41 am)
You should have no stalling problems with an XLS 5 speed. It only happens in the V6 models which only come with an auto transmission.
Dec 04, 2002 (6:43 am)
considering the Tribute comes with a 4/50K warranty now and the Escape has only 3/36K wattanty...the advantage seems to be with the Mazda version.
#1911 of 4149 stalling...
Dec 04, 2002 (7:56 am)
I talked to my service tech the other day while I was having my oil change done. He said, "The main reason we are getting all these stalling problems is the timing is set to low, but if you increase the timing you engine will run harder and decrease your gas mileage." I just left it at that because my escape was done and I had to go.
Lucky for me I have not had the stall happen to me, but now that the tech told me about the timing, when I'm slowing down or coasting I watch the tach and just touch the gas if it goes really low.