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#1764 of 4149 Let Me Try To Put This In Perspective
Sep 12, 2002 (10:44 am)
I've been looking in on this board since the summer of 2001. At that time, my wife and I were strongly considering buying a Tribute (the test drive almost sealed the deal for us) until I did some research on the web and found out about the stalling problem. We then decided against purchasing the Tribute because of this issue. I still look in on this board from time to time to see if Ford/Mazda has resolved the problem because I may be in the market for a vehicle again within 1-2 years.
In 1988, I purchased a car (brand new - not a Ford or Mazda) that had an intermittent problem with stalling and engine idle oscillation. The problem usually occured under cool/damp weather conditions prior to the engine warming up completely. I brought this car back to the dealership several times, and was consistantly told that they could not duplicate the problem, everything checks out okay, they haven't seen this problem before, etc. Each time I would drive home from the dealership, my frustration level would be cranked up yet another notch because I knew there was a problem. Being told that everything checked out okay or that they haven't seen this problem before did not make me feel any better.
I can understand why someone with an Escape/Tribute that has stalled might feel that they are now being "bashed" in this forum. Each time they are told that the stalling problem has been overblown, or that it only affects a small per-centage of vehicles, or that they are anti-Ford, cranks up their frustration level another notch to the point where they now feel as if they are being attacked. It really doesn't matter to those with vehicles that have stalled whether 1% or 100% of the Escape/Tributes out there have the stalling problem. All they care is that their vehicles have stalled and they have come to this forum to hopefully find solutions.
As for visiting other sites, I have done that and found that the Consumer Complaint section of the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration is a good source of information. The 2001 and 2002 Escape/Tribute has amassed quite a record there.
Please note that I am not a "Ford Basher". I've owned one Ford product over the years (1976 Capri II) which was a great car, but that was 20 years ago, so I consider myself "Ford neutral". I am, however, the original owner of a 1990 Mazda MPV, which has close to 128K miles and is still running great, which is another reason we considered the Tribute.
Hope this helps.
Sep 12, 2002 (1:13 pm)
Some time back, someone mentioned they had just purchased a used Isuzu and casually mentioned it had the "new car smell." I pointed out that the "new car smell" now comes in spray cans.
I got jumped on by Isuzu loyalists who declared me to be an Isuzu basher! Of course, that's ludicrous.
The point is that brand loyalties can easily cause people to see innocent comments or sincere discussion as something else entirely. Let's try to take the medium into account and be a bit more tolerant of differing expressions of opinion.
SUVs; Aftermarket & Accessories
Sep 12, 2002 (3:32 pm)
Go to several Mazda dealer repair shops. Ask them whether they have many Tribs come in and for what. Visit other sites around the net. Currently there are no recalls for 2002 Escape/Tribs. I don't doubt anyone has had a "stalling" issue. Bess, has posted TSB information over and over and over again if you scroll back for a fix to this issue. I own an Escape and at first admit I was a bit worried about my Escape "stalling". After I poked around the net and looked at other chats/sites I saw it was a very, very small percentage. I am glad I don't have this problem, and I hope those that do get it fixed to their satisfaction.
#1767 of 4149 Stalling is not only problem
Sep 12, 2002 (6:42 pm)
I wish that stalling was the only problem my wife had with her vehicle. Granted, our was one of the early 2001's (Oct 2000) but besides the recalls that affected the vehicle, it was in the shop twice for having the Power Steering Pump replaced along with other sundry problems.
We just had a baby earlier this year, and when the Escape stalls, it does it while moving and causes the loss of power steering and power brakes-- needless to say, they almost got CREAMED from behind when they stalled.
This made the 3rd time, qualifying for LEMON LAW -- we went tonite and picked out a new 2003 EXPLORER (we only have to pay the difference between MSRP's ---- My wife refused to get another Escape due to her past problems!
Sep 12, 2002 (6:43 pm)
I don't think I've ever posted stalling TSB information.. If so, I doubt it was more than once..
Sep 12, 2002 (6:58 pm)
Mazda has a fix for computer problem that solves the stalling problem in Tributes, and it has been around almost a month now. New ones being sold now should have no problems from the get-go. Did Tributes have this power steering problem too? I know they have a different steering set-up than Escapes.
#1770 of 4149 gear shifter
Sep 13, 2002 (4:47 am)
Does anyone know if I can replace gear stick on my 02 Trib with something more convenient. I've seen new Escapes with different kind of the gear stick and wondering if I can install that one. (so it will not block the radio knob)
Sep 13, 2002 (5:32 am)
Saw on Bloomberg there's another recall issued yesterday on Tribute electrical problem. Anyone got info ?
#1772 of 4149 Reply to Scape2
Sep 13, 2002 (6:06 am)
Unfortunately, you have completely missed the point of my post, so let me try one last time to make it clear. It is extremely frustrating for someone to have purchased a new vehicle, only to find that your brand new vehicle (specifically - the vehicle you drove off the dealers lot - not the vehicle model in general) needs warranty repair for multiple problems, or makes several trips back to the dealer service department for the same unresolved complaint. For this person, the per-centage of reliable or unreliable vehicles for the model they purchased is no longer an issue because the vehicle they own has problems. Constantly making statements on purported vehicle reliability a) does nothing to help the person with the vehicle they are having problems with, and b) only serves to futher upset and possibly infuriate the person with the problem vehicle. I think you really need to go back and read the last paragraph of Tidester's post #1687. His point is very important.
A couple of other points. First, I believe I stated twice in my post that I used the internet to research the Tribute and continue to look in at this site. So, I don't understand your comment on visiting websites. Second, you state how Bess has several times posted a TSB for stalling, but Bess contradicts you with post #1690. Seems to me that your statement is very much like the misinformation you complain of in post #1680.
#1773 of 4149 Another Tribute Stalling Problem
Sep 13, 2002 (7:01 am)
I am new to this board. I have been reading through the postings. I purchased my 2002 Tribute on 12/1/01. (Manufactured in 11/01) On 5/3/02, my battery died. My Tribute has stalled out on me 3 times. Each time I have taken the car in. The first time they updated the computer software (6/21/02). The second time they replaced 3 sensors (8/14/02). Took the car back to the dealer on 8/20/02 for yet another stalling problem. As of today, the car is still at the dealer. The first two times were going down a hill at 30 mph. The last time was on a straight stretch of road at about 35 mph. So that blows the theory of only being on flat roads as someone suggested in a previous post. All the times have been around the same time, 5pm after sitting all day. Probably one reason why Mazda/Ford has not recalled the car is because it does not happen in every car. Also, they don't have a good fix yet that fits each car that has been stalling. I don't think this issue should be taken lightly. I have either gotten off the road or restarted the engine while coasting. One problem lays with the people behind you. Some people like to follow to closely. I cannot control that. So yes, it can be scary when someone behind you is not paying attention. I am too busy trying to restart the car to turn on the flashers while I am coasting. I think the people who say it is no big deal must have not had it happen to them.
Well tomorrow will be a total of thirty days in the shop. So that qualifies my car as lemon in my state. I am sending my letter to Mazda requesting a refund which is a shame because I really like the Tribute.