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#1016 of 1707 Problems with power seats????
Jan 11, 2003 (10:49 pm)
Hi to all, I haven't posted for a while and I don't know if anyone has brought up this subject.
I have filed a Lemon Law claim against Ford for
the failure of my driver's power seats. This seat motor has broken/replaced five times in 3 months! The dealer can't fix it, they just order another seat.
They say production problems, but Ford says not.
It started at 50 miles, and I took my Expedition
to North Carolina in December and it broke again.
I had 4800 miles on it. My concern this time was it would stop in a position I couldn't put up with for 500 miles! I bought the 2003 because of the heated seats, BAD BACK! Well my daughter and I noticed the heated seat part stopped, then the back up & down action stopped. It just growls if you adjust the lever. I've sold my 1997 Expedition
with over 99,000 miles. Wish I had never bought this one. I am so unhappy with this problem. I also have the passenger-side mirror not moving down in reverse, plus a head rest that won't go down. Don't think I'm a whiner, just can't stand paying this kind of $$$ and having to see the dealer every couple of weeks. I should have taken the thing back the first day! And, don't even think I got more than 16.5mpg on the highway. What can I do? Help. Thanks, Caroline
#1018 of 1707 Power Seat Mileage...huh?
Jan 13, 2003 (8:36 pm)
Sounds like you're doing the right thing protecting your rights under the limelight of the lemon law, LOL. Even if you get a new seat or the dealer does something to fix it you won't get much better than 16.5 MPG. I sense your unhappiness with gas consumption further heightens your frustration with the seat, could I be right? It's a great vehicle and once you get the minor bugs out I hope you learn to love it for what it is, the best on the market. Recognize your experiences are the exception, not the rule. If you hate the fuel economy trade it, but not because you can force it on the dealer/Ford due to seat troubles. As you know each vehicle carries a window sticker listing expected MPG so you were warned, right? Our 2WD 5.4L said 13/18. A C/H mix is figured 13+18=31 divided by two = 15.5 so 16.5 isn't that bad. We have 6K miles on ours and at best got 17 MPG...ever.
We have the same trouble with the mirrors, I believe we're the rule here, not the exception, crappy software, stay tuned for a fix the first quarter of this year. This and/or a headrest still wouldn't make me unhappy and you're not a whiner, you want what you paid for, a reliable, working vehicle, bells, whistles, the works.
I don't work for Ford, I'm just a cheery 2003 EB Expie owner responding to your frustration that reads between lines a little. Give them all the chances they need to make it right. Think of it like this almost famous quote, "Aggravation haveth no couth or limits, it seizeth a man like tight boxers" (Genesis: 12-1982). OK, I confess, it's my quote not the musical group Genesis and certainly not from the Bible. If you're female forgive me and just imagine. Keep smiling!
Jan 13, 2003 (10:53 pm)
Thanks for the response Davant, I too am a fan of
the Expeditions. Remember, I owned a 97 till I bought this one. I had to use the Lemon Law, even the dealership suggested this. It's not so much the mileage, I did do better with the last one. Of
course that does cause me to be more unhappy. The
worse part of this is I waited and researched and after all my time and energy I feel I never had that thrill of a new car owner! In just hours after buying this one I was back in service. Also the false hope that each repair would be the last.
I'm over 50 now and on my own, I want to feel safe
when I travel alone up and down I95 and I just have a gut feeling this would go on. Remember they have put three new seats in this in three months! The dealer also found four other EBers with the same problem on his lot. Wonder what those owners are going thru? I think this is my only solution. I am glad you are having a good
time with your's, may you enjoy it for a very long time. Caroline
#1020 of 1707 Towing a boat
Jan 15, 2003 (7:39 pm)
I tow a Monterey 262 cruiser with my '02 Expy, 5.4 4WD, 3.73 rear. The boat is 28.5' & weighs around 6500# with full fuel & water, around 7700# with the trailer. The Expy handles it with no problem but don't look for great mileage, I get around 10 MPG maybe 12-14 at highway speeds.
#1021 of 1707 Simple Mileage Improvement for Poster Expy02
Jan 16, 2003 (6:58 pm)
10 MPG is rough but hauling all that weight could be worse. I know a great way for you to get about 15MPG and it's so simple...
Give me the boat!
Cheers & enjoy it all you can this time of year.
#1022 of 1707 Gas Mileage
Jan 17, 2003 (7:41 am)
My 2003 XLT 4x4 5.4 Expedition on non-ethanol gas gets 18 mpg for freeway driving at 65 mph. Going back and forth to work (14 miles) which I would describe as a combo of city/highway it gets 14 to 15 mpg. Ethanol reduces these mpg's by 1 to 1.5 mpg. I calculate my gas mileage by hand every time I fill up. I am usually alone and my truck is filled up with hunting/fishing gear in the rear.
#1023 of 1707 Headlines: KKKKKK Sets Guinness Record for Expie 4x4 MPG!
Jan 17, 2003 (7:18 pm)
I'm having trouble with this 18 MPG highway thing on a 5.4 4x4. Are your sure you're not fudging just a scosh or using the Message Center estimation? Try confirming it with a calculator as we humans sometimes make math mistakes by hand, take Social Security for instance. The 5.4 4x4 is rated 13/17 MPG. Even on the highway empty, freshly waxed, downhill both ways, with near hurricane strength tailwinds (both ways) the darn thing just can't get 18 MPG...even if you draft a semi and purr along at 65 MPH. It's practically a porta-potty on wheels and has a terrible drag coefficient of "point-oh-my". Our 4x2 5.4 rated 13/18 without the cooler, tackle and tree stand will get (not per Message Center) 17 MPG tops at 70 MPH over very flat NW FL highways using cruise control. I've verified this over nearly 3K miles using the same exact pumps and top off methods. Are there magic beans in your non-ethanol brew?
Jan 17, 2003 (9:00 pm)
There's at least one other member here getting 17/18 highway with a 5.4 (another trip computer at work <g>?).
jrc346 Dec 2, 2002 2:13pm
#1025 of 1707 Tripped Kumpewtur Wurx Guud
Jan 17, 2003 (9:16 pm)
Thanks for the posting-pointer. Unusual that his 18 MPG is on a 1999, ours is an '03 and you would think more aerodynamic being newer. I'm not calling anyone here a liar of course, just trying to avoid the virtual, "My kid beat up your honor student" syndrome. I look forward to K6's feedback but if mileage is that good he (or she) is likely on a cross-country trip...all on a single tank full.
As you eluded the trip computer often reports over-optimistic MPG and folks may willingly overlook it at the pumps. I expect some drive away grinning and thinking 18 MPG after paying a $40 bill but never bother to prove otherwise. Do the math folks, it has a 28 gallon tank, roughly 26 before the idiot warning comes on. That gets you around 470 miles between fill ups at 18 MPG. If anyone with an '03 Expie 4x4 w/5.4L can go that far and still make it another 30 miles to the next exit, my hat (and gas cap) are off to you.
P.S. - If you try it bring your cell phone and a gas can.