I go away for 2 days, and it takes me forever to get caught up with the discussion. I wouldn't mind greater ground clearance without resorting to a lift, or better gas mileage, as long as it has enough power to climb hills easily.
I've driven some very old jeeps - thanks to Uncle Sam and a bunch of years of years in the Army. While I always loved driving military jeeps, both around garrison and out to the field, I wouldn't have owned one. In fact, I first looked at Wranglers in 1993, but couldn't imagine myself driving one for a 3,000 mile trip. I bought one as soon as they redid the suspension system. So change can be a good thing. While I love the exterior looks, it sure could be better in windy conditions.
One of the reasons I'm stuck with that uncomfortable Taco is that I hate what Nissan did to their pickup. The new Frontiers look dreadful to me, and it seems many others - it isn't selling all that well.
As far as the Liberty - my husband doesn't like the styling. I didn't find it as bad as the Frontier, and I noticed that the little things like the door handles were thoughtfully designed. However, I won't buy one until the back seats fold down flat - my dog wouldn't like riding on a sloping floor (I'm another dog lover, and tsjay you have a wonderful page for your dog).
I would be willing to bet that when the redesigned Wrangler comes out it won't look that much like the concept car. Many of the really extreme styled vehicles aren't selling all that well, and I think car styles will shift in another direction. My only hope is that the next new style won't be so polarizing!
The icon concept looks like CRAP to me. I also won't buy a SWB Jeep with IS front and rear. From what I have seen of the Puberty, I am not too impressed. If it is just another mall cruiser then I guess it is OK.
I don't like the new Z car. But of course I liked the last model Z car the most.
I don't think the frontiers look that bad. Maybe they have been out long enough I have gotten use to them by now. They seem to be selling good here. I see them all over. I hate the look of all those car/trucks either way though. But I can't help to love my 90 nissan p/u though.
I see nothing wrong with throwing the top halfs in the back. You have to put the rear windows there so it will just be a couple of more items.
Test drive a Jeep with full doors window down and then drive one with the top halfs off.
Did paperwork Saturday morning, had it on the highway to Maine by 10:30. Tire noise was pretty bad (I need new tires). Road noise OK. A carload of Hesser College girls screamed "NICE JEEP!" (must not have cared about or noticed my ring!).
I had it on a fire road Sunday AM in Kennebunk, and loved it (except the mosquitoes!). Was a lot of fun!
Almost got caught in the thunderstorms, but got last part of top done and windows zipped right as it started to pour. The rain followed me home. It was a good test of the top, and only a slight leak, but possibly because I missed where you tuck the top in to the door frame. Does anybody have directions for all this?
Will report more later, but thought you'd like to hear a little for now.
They put on new front brakes when I got it, and the window zipper came unstuck for me and as long as I use the left zipper pull it is OK. The back brakes squeak a little, and they said they can fix/replace those as well if necessary.
Need tires. Has 225/75R15 Goodyear Wrangler GSA. I can't stand them. They are cupped.
What is a good size and brand to go to?
What is it about the 31 inch tires that you need the washers for again? What does that effect?
Also, can you buy springs for a lift kit which also have trailer towing increased capacity?
I guess for now I'm living vicariously through you new or "used" Jeep owners. Let me know what all it had and what you finally paid for it. I know I definitely would prefer new but if I can't stand the wait, I may go for a used.
As far as the girls yelling out at you...hey driving around in South St. Louis County area and I had teenage guys whistling and yelling at me from their cars. It was wierd, but eventually I just laughed and told one guy in a truck that I was old enough to be his mother. His eyes lit up and then he said, "so what"...then I left. :O
Post your pictures on the owners section, I want to see them whenever anybody gets their jeep show your new baby.
I liked the set-up on your black Jeep. Was it a sport when you started? What all did you have on it when you first bought it?
I would have to say that nothing gets the "wind in your face" like a good running HD. The jeep is a good second place though.
That H2 thing looks more like a "poor mans" Hummer to me. I am going to keep an eye on this, if DC destroys the "jeep", this may be a good option if they don't make it like somebodys living room inside.
TsJay - I know your out there watching all this, hang in there bud. I know there is a lot you want to say but can't, I hope you haven't pounded your key board into peices yet. CYA when you get here.
Hey, this is Spyrodragon's girl friend. He's at the beach right now, so I'll answer your questions for him. Spyro is a 2000 Sport. I think that is just started out as a little Jeep. Fog, tow hooks, cruise, ac, cd, etc. Nothing really added beside factory stuff. It's a whole lot bigger now. Here's beach pics a couple weeks ago: