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#21550 of 23397 Re: '06 Jeep Wrangler X model question... [iwntajeep]
May 15, 2006 (7:10 am)
Believe has excellent advice. Treat the trade-in and the new Jeep separately. In the end, everything comes down to profit minus costs of goods sold, so the dealer is going to offer as low as possible on the Grand in order to make more when turning it around.
Here's a great option, and I did this myself, so I know it worked. Take your Grand to a Carmax. They will drive it and do a quick inspection. Then, they'll give you a written piece of paper with an offer. If you get an offer of less from the dealer, Carmax will still buy the Grand from you. At least you know your baseline (which is usually pretty close to the Kelley Blue Book "good" range).
When negotiating without the "smoke and mirrors" of trades and "trade difference", it makes getting to the question of "what am I paying for the car?" much easier.
One other possible suggestion. Look into a 2004 or 2005 "pre-owned" Wrangler. I was looking into new Unlimiteds when I did exactly what I describe above. The dealer called me three times on the day I wanted to come in to "confirm" my appointment. They were even making me choose a color over the phone (so they could "gas one up" for the test drive was their reason). Finally, when the sales manager got pushy on the phone trying to get me to come in sooner (not that I had a JOB or anything) I bailed on them. At the time, new Unlimited were stickering for just under $26k. This was before all the 0% and employee special deals. When I went to get a trade value at Carmax, they had an 04 with 9k miles on it for $21k. And I love it. Even still had that new hardtop smell inside that will remind you of a boat (well, it does for me at least, but I'm also plainly nuts). Plus, transferred the remaining factory warranty over. I'm sure you could do even better now that the new Wrangler JK is expected in showrooms within a few months.
#21551 of 23397 Re: Roll Bar Holes [mac24]
May 15, 2006 (11:54 am)
I appreciate the advice and the correction, but I really don't want to spend the money and buy original padding. For now I just bought some screws with rubber washers. My Jeep is going to be a step by step process and right now my eye is on a lift.
#21552 of 23397 Then and Now
May 15, 2006 (12:48 pm)
I really like how little it's changed over the years.
#21553 of 23397 Re: Then and Now [mac24]
May 15, 2006 (6:29 pm)
That's the nicest looking green Jeep I've ever seen. All of the ones I remember were painted camouflage and were usually dented here and there. Certainly brings back memories...
#21554 of 23397 Re: Bought a new Jeep! (new to me, anyway) [ocean_shipper]
May 15, 2006 (7:07 pm)
Another question?.... Is it my imagination or am I just crazy... I feel that my '03 sits lower than my '00. Is it possible that the seats actually do sit lower in the 03'? Both of them are stock with no mod's that I am aware of.
The only difference is that the '00 did have Michelins vs. Goodyear's for rubber. I have attached a picture of the '00 possibly for comparison.
Tom / Mac... any thoughts on this?
#21555 of 23397 Re: Bought a new Jeep! (new to me, anyway) [ocean_shipper]
May 15, 2006 (7:18 pm)
Is it possible that the seats actually do sit lower in the 03'?
The full and complete answer to that question is..........yes!
#21556 of 23397 Re: Then and Now [mtngal]
May 15, 2006 (7:25 pm)
All of the ones I remember were painted camouflage and were usually dented here and there.
This one isn't camo, but isn't quite as tidy as the green one either. It's a '41 next to a '97.
I'm guessing that this one is before your time?
#21557 of 23397 Re: Bought a new Jeep! (new to me, anyway) [mac24]
May 15, 2006 (8:02 pm)
One of the reasons why I've been somewhat reluctant to sell the '98 Sport is that I prefer the higher seats in it over the '04 Unlimited's lower seats. I'm short and I have some problems with visibility while off-roading (note to self - gotta find a new cushion, my old one has gotten quite flat!).
#21558 of 23397 Re: Then and Now [mac24]
May 15, 2006 (8:12 pm)
Yes - that one is before my time. However it looks much more like what I remember, though the ones I "knew" were probably from the '60s, maybe early 70s (it wasn't unusual for the Army to keep a vehicle 20 years - I think there were deuce and a halfs that were even older than that). As I recall, they still had skinny tires, didn't they? Ah, my memory has definitely faded over time, though I do remember the black-out lights on the front and the side mirror was the same. It's missing the long whip antenna and the unit markings on the bumper, though...
#21559 of 23397 Re: Then and Now [mtngal]
May 16, 2006 (3:47 am)
One of these days I'm going to put this poster in my garage, all the military and civilian Jeeps over the years, it really shows how conservative the evolution has been.