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#20888 of 23393 Re: 97-2001 4 cyl gas mileage by steph1023
Jan 18, 2006 (5:49 pm)
I have experience similar to birdjaguar - around 24 mpg highway also with a 4 cylinder 2.5L OHV motor and manual transmission in my 1995 YJ Wrangler SE (same as the 4 cylinder motor in the 97-2003 TJ). I drive conservatively - the 2.5 L likes to turn 2,500 rpm which translates to about 58 MPH with the standard 4.10:1 axle ratios - plenty fast enough for a short wheelbase (SWB) Jeep. (Remember, the original WWII MB jeep maximum speed was 60 MPH.)
The difference between 20 mpg (most jeeps) and 30 mpg (Lancer or similar sedan) amounts to only 17 gallons per 1,000 miles (50 gal 20 mpg vs. 33 gal. 30 mpg) which would cost about $50/1,000 miles (or a nickel per mile) if gas were $3.00/gallon. The difference in gas cost should not deter you.
And you may enjoy your ride in the jeep much more than any other vehicle you have driven. You should ask Tom - before Thelma Jane, he would get bored with his ride after only a year and trade it in. Now (is it 4 years later?) he still likes his TJ. I have the same feeling for my YJ. There is no other vehicle that is more fun to drive slowly. All other vehicles are boring appliances - efficient but soulless. Jeeps are very mechanical - they remind you continuously of the connection between human and machine. You experience the trip and not just the desire to reach the destination.
The Jeep thing is a little hard to explain - drive a TJ for a while to see if you like it - then decide whether to take the plunge or not. Whichever way you decide, good luck.
#20889 of 23393 Re: 97-2001 4 cyl gas mileage by steph1023 [yjbob]
Jan 18, 2006 (6:07 pm)
......20 mpg (most jeeps)
I'm sorry, but I really have to disagree with you there.
Not even DC claims that!
#20890 of 23393 Re: 97-2001 4 cyl gas mileage by steph1023 [mac24]
Jan 18, 2006 (6:46 pm)
I got 20 mpg on a trip I took to deliver a piano to my in-laws in Modesto. That was during the first week after I purchased it. I have not seen that number since. Keep in mind that Jeep calibrates it speedometer to read faster then you are really going (mine was about 4+ MPH). Which I believe gives you a more optimistic fuel economy.
#20891 of 23393 Re: 97-2001 4 cyl gas mileage by steph1023 [gman1259]
Jan 18, 2006 (7:04 pm)
Keep in mind that Jeep calibrates it speedometer to read faster then you are really going (mine was about 4+ MPH).
Which is just one of the reasons why I'll never call someone on their personal mileage claim. However, anyone purchasing an SE with the expectation of a consistent real 25mpg is likely to be disappointed.
#20892 of 23393 Re: Time for tires [gredden]
Jan 19, 2006 (6:42 am)
You will find that the choice of tires depends on personal preference and what you plan to do. Out in California, I ran BFG AT/KO's and they did great for that terrain. I'm in Alabama now and wheel in Kentucky and this mud here turns my AT's into racing slicks. My plans are for Mud Terrains. I've been considering BFG MT's, Firestone Destination M/T's, and the Bridgestone Dueller MT's.
If you are only driving it on the road, the AT's would probably last longer and end up being quieter. My AT's have about 18,000 miles on them and are still very quiet - considering I drive w/o doors or top when I can and I AM driving a brick on wheels.
31" tires would look nice on a 2" lift. That is what Tom (tsjay) has and his Jeep looks (and runs great) both on an offroad.
Given your choices (which I just reread), you might want to look at tirerack.com and see how they compare in each area. The Destinations actually rate quite well, so it may just boil down to price.
Keep in mind, if you are swapping tires, you need to really purchase 5 tires so your spare is the matching size.
#20893 of 23393 Re: Time for tires [gredden]
Jan 19, 2006 (8:58 am)
Another popular choice, although I have never seen them mentioned here, is the Trxus MT's. As I look to go to 33's, my own online research suggests that many folks who have had these and BFG's really prefer the Trxus. While they don't seem to wear quite as well, they are apparently MUCH quieter than most other MT's. And, they seem to perform well in mud, snow and rocks and have a lot of siping in the lugs. Here is a link:
Any real world feedback on these tires?
Jan 19, 2006 (9:04 am)
They are also a pain to balance properly. I've seen multiple reports of people having to get them balanced multiple times.
#20895 of 23393 Re: 97-2001 4 cyl gas mileage by steph1023 [yjbob]
Jan 19, 2006 (12:18 pm)
It was five years ago that I took delivery on Thelma Jane. She was a factory order, and she arrived at the dealership on December 8, 2000. I took off early that day, after getting the call from the dealership to inform me that "Thelma Jane" had arrived. They knew that I was calling her Thelma Jane, so the salesman used her name when he told me she was in.
And you are absolutely correct. In the past, I would buy a new vehicle that I was so hopped up over, but after the first six months, I would be dying to buy something else. Thelma Jane cured me of that. I am not the least bit interested in trading her for ANYTHING.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#20896 of 23393 Re: competition [steve_]
Jan 19, 2006 (4:07 pm)
Am I the only one not that impressed with the looks of the new FJ? Karl might be dead on with his review and his statement that the FJ is more capable than the Wrangler, BUT I couldn't see loving the looks of it years down the road, the same way I do my Wrangler. I think Tom says it best:
"In the past, I would buy a new vehicle that I was so hopped up over, but after the first six months, I would be dying to buy something else. Thelma Jane cured me of that. I am not the least bit interested in trading her for ANYTHING"
#20897 of 23393 Re: Time for tires [barnz_69]
Jan 19, 2006 (6:54 pm)
I have been extremely satisfied with the performance of my BFG Muds on the trails. The give excellent traction.
Their weakness in offroading is their thin sidewalls, which can be ripped by a sharp rock or a sharp tree root (ask me how I know).
I have had two sets of BFG Muds on Thelma Jane, but because of the sidewall issue, I might be tempted to consider something else next time. (MIGHT. But, will probably end up with BFG Muds again.)
Have you hugged your Jeep today?