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#19408 of 23397 Re: Death Wobble [embeeduece]
Aug 27, 2005 (8:44 am)
I thought I would update my experiences with the death wobble on my unmodified Sahara, which I'm pretty sure comes with the hi-pressure shocks standard. It has 38k on the odometer and it is a 2001 model with Canyon wheels.
As I related earlier, my Wrangler was wobbling consistently from 55 - 60 mph, and then at lower speeds after hitting large and small bumps on normal pavement. I started noticing it about a year and a half earlier, and it gradually got worse. I finally had to do something when I just slowed a bit at around 57 mph, and the entire Jeep violently shook to the point it was dangerous and I really felt that I may lose control.
I put a set of BFG AT 31 x 10.5 on it and the vast majority of the wobbling stopped, especially in the 55 - 60 mph range. This did not make any sense to me, because the other tires, even though worn, had been rotated and balanced several times with absolutely NO CHANGE to the wobble characteristics, nor did any of the repair facilities (Dodge dealership and private repair) mention anything about tread separation or out-of-balance problems with the tires themselves.
Now, I *think* that the wobble is still there on bumps, and I am worried about it getting worse. It seems to be more noticeable when I hit bumps with the right front tire. I don't have the engineering understanding of the system, but I wonder if that is somehow related to how the components link up?
I have had a shop check everything out the front suspension and steering components twice, and they are telling me that everything is solid as a rock. Just as a precaution, we went ahead and upgraded the steering stabilizer to a larger one, and that *might* have helped some. The shop (which I have alot of confidence in, but they are not Jeep specialists) is giving me the proverbial "its a short wheelbase Jeep with big tires, blah, blah, blah... live with it, its normal" routine now.
Mac mentioned that the tires probably did not solve the underlying problem and I agree with that. It is really strange that the wobble gets worse as the tires wear (at least on the first set, although I unhappily expect it to happen with this set of tires, too).
This is my 2nd Wrangler TJ Sahara, and the first one did not do this, although I sold it at 36k. I can also tell you that if this one begins doing it again, and I am unable to figure out the problem, I will be in the market for a TK model, which I really don't want to do, because the one I have now is exactly like I want.
Don't know if this helps, but maybe the Canyon wheels and hi-pressure shocks are common to all of our experiences? I would be willing to install the Bilsteins if that theory has validity.
#19409 of 23397 Re: Jeep Horns [mrnatural]
Aug 27, 2005 (11:11 am)
Nellybelle!!!!!!!!!!!! Now that brings back memories. Did you watch it in actual time or re-runs. I saw it in actual time. Scary. Nellybelle was my first Jeep love. I have to Google it to see what year Nellybell was around and see if there is any info on the actual Jeep. Thanks for the reminder of an old Jeep from my childhood. I do remember that OOGAH sound. Anyone else? Keats? Go Easy, John
#19410 of 23397 Re: Maybe a Trailer... [dave__]
Aug 27, 2005 (11:24 am)
Depending on how much gear you expect to take with you, you might also consider one of those rear carriers which attach to your hitch and look like a shelf. They're typically about 5-6 feet wide and 2 feet deep or so (per memory) with a short rail surrounding the perimeter. If you can fit it on and strap it down, I think they'll handle a few hundred pounds. Available at most stores including Wally-World, auto-supply stores and places like Harbor Freight. Costs in the 60-90 buck range and requires minimal storage room in your garage when not in use.
Aug 27, 2005 (12:04 pm)
I found some info on Nellybelle. Nellybelle was a 1946 Willys CJ2A owned by Roy Rogers and driven by Pat Brady on the Roy Rogers show. The show was on from 1951-1957. It was the only Jeep used on the show and was painted grey.It was affectionately referred to as "a moving junkpile". It is on display at rhe Roy Rogers-Dale Evans Museum in Missouri. They even had Nellybelle toys. The site is- www.film.queensu.ca/cjbb/siblings or Google Nellybelle. John
#19413 of 23397 Re: Nellybelle [koolbreeze2]
Aug 27, 2005 (12:09 pm)
I absolutely remember watching Nellybelle (actual time). In fact, my siblings and I named our '59 Chevy station wagon "Nellybelle" in her honor! I wonder how many old TV shows featured Jeeps...... I guess "Rat Patrol" and "MASH" come quickly to mind. There had to be others.......
#19414 of 23397 Re: Death Wobble [mac24]
Aug 27, 2005 (2:00 pm)
She's an '04, bought in '03. Cominig up on her second birthday.
The shocks are black, and are supposed to be the "high pressure gas charged" ones, but even if they are covered by warranty, it's worth it to me to go out and pay for better shocks. It may not solve death wobble, but I assume it will improve the ride. If you say so, I will accept that 24K is normal for the shcoks to wear, but I'd rather invest in some heavier duty, longer lasting shocks. Kinda like how everyone dumps the GSAs for better tires.
Thanks as always for your expertise and time.
#19415 of 23397 Re: Jeep Horns [koolbreeze2]
Aug 27, 2005 (4:56 pm)
Yeah I'm plenty old enough to have watched it in real time. When I was a kid we used to hunt rabbits in the desert in an old CJ2 that had an OOGAH horn. I think some old flatties came from the factory that way!
Roy Rogers used to have an old Jeep parked in front of his home in Apple Vally (not far from my Dad's house). Not sure if it was Nellybelle but it looked the part anyway. I never did stop to ask but you'd often see Roy and Dale out working in the yard before they got too old and sick.
#19416 of 23397 Re: Jeep Wrangle Outback Model [rodgers7]
Aug 27, 2005 (5:48 pm)
We just bought a Jeep Outback Wrangler off the lot at Ilderton Jeep in High Point, NC. It is definitely a Specialty Jeep. Fortec deals with Ilderton exclusively in North Caroline. This is a custom built jeep that Ilderton Jeep sent to Fortec in Atlanta to perform the modifications. Dual tubular front and rear bumbers w/ 100W Hella foslights, 33.5" tires, American Racing wheels, 3" body lift, Neoprene custom seat covers (black). Its basically a modified Jeep Wrangler X, but me and my wife love it. Fortec's website is www.fortecjeep.com. The Outback Wrangler is shown on the website but they do not have a detailed mod list. Hope this helps....
#19417 of 23397 Picking it up on Friday
Aug 27, 2005 (7:21 pm)
I got a call from the dealer earlier today, and he said that my new Wrangler would be in on Friday morning. I'm getting excited, now I just need to pick up a few aftermarket items that will "personalize" it.
I plan on picking up XM radio for it, and an aftermarket security system/electronic key system. A buddy of mine installed an electronic system that detects when they keys are near the car so the doors unlock automatically.
I think I might even wake up at 6:30 A.M. and drive to the dealership to see my new Jeep come off the ramp.