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Jeep Wrangler, SUV
Apr 06, 2001 (2:58 am)
Hey i'm new to all of this.... i'm 19 and i drive a 1999 mercury cougar(please dont kill me because of this) the thing is that i dont want this car. I want a wrangler more than anything. ever since i got my license a few years ago i wanted one but my parents are stupid about it so when i went to buy a new car they pushed me away from jeeps and i liked the cougar, now the cougar sucks, its boring. is anyone from western massachusetts? maybe you can point me in the right direction of a good jeep dealer to help me out. there is a dealer a few streets from me that only sells jeeps but they are full of bondo and are extremely over-priced.
#1867 of 23397 Still in Illinois
Apr 06, 2001 (5:18 am)
I'm still up here in Illinois and won't be going back to good old KY until tomorrow. I should be back in Wrangler IV tomorrow night sometime.
Glad to see there's some posting going on.
Tjy: I had forgotten about the name for your Jeep, but as soon as I read your post, I remembered your telling me that in one of our chats. See, that's why I need everyone to post in Meet the Members, cause I'm senile. I noticed that some certain person with a beautiful new sienna colored Jeep hasn't done that yet. Hint, hint.
Tonkadave: How's the waiting going? Should be chatting with you tomorrow night, hopefully.
Everyone: Big ole howdy from tsjay and Thelma Jane!
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Apr 06, 2001 (6:22 am)
Go check out the Jeep place in Ware. I forget the route number, but depending on where you are, there might be one closer. Also Samara in Worcester.
Apr 06, 2001 (7:44 am)
Welcome to the board. I wouldn't use a carsalesmen for info. They all lie. Just use them for the purchase. Post here and somebody can help you sort through the options and your questions.
Jeeps hold their value real well.
Here is a website with good and bad dealers. Based on individuals input, so keep that in mind.
Pizzadude & spyrodragon
I haven't done it, but it should work on smaller lifts. Get a 1"BL and 1"MM lift and you should be able to get rid of the drop and be vibe free. A less expensive option vs SYE.
Apr 06, 2001 (1:25 pm)
I've decided on the Sport and Sienna color with the Camel top and interior.
Now what I need to do is figure out what options I want. I definitely want the trac-loc, as many of you have suggested, and the ABS I even ordered the Consumer Reports Price service report. They basically give you the actual vehicle prices to the dealer, invoice minus hold back and incentives. It was $12, not bad but is still a rip off.
I've already had one dealer contact me with a price of $200 over invoice after the rebate. Not a bad starting point from them. The CP wholesale price is $16,786. I'll start from there.
What options have you been able to find cheaper on the internet vs buying with your Jeep? Anything you wish you bought or regret? I'm just trying to save money and get the best price.
I don't know about the tire and wheels, they're not that bad in price so maybe I'll get that from them. What about the add a trunk? Which axle ration do I choose? What's the difference?
What about the tire and wheels? I think I would eventually get bigger tires, but I should be able to use the same wheel. How about the Dana 44? I don't think I'll go bigger then a 31 Tire in the future. Dual top any comments? It seems like an inconvience and it's expensive. Thanks again.
I'm going this weekend to test drive, should be 70 plus degrees...
#1871 of 23397 re:wrangler wanted
Apr 06, 2001 (1:47 pm)
$200 over invoice sounds about right (NOT including the rebate). You may be able to argue lower if you are so inclined.
Dual tops are good if you are one of us souls banished to the northern climes, but if you are expecting 70+ weather this weekend I'm guessing that isn't you.
I personally think the 30" tire/wheel set is overpriced and went aftermarket. Others here disagree. You can fit 30" tires on the stock 7" wheels just fine. If you get ABS and track-lok you'll automatically get the 3.73 axle ratio. Axle ratios are the ratio of your engine turning to your rear axle turning. The higher the ratio, the faster your wheels turn, but too high a ratio means you'll run out of steam on the highway. 3.73 is fine for the size tires you listed.
My only regret was that I didn't order a/c. I later had a factory kit installed.
Apr 06, 2001 (7:45 pm)
Well, finally got it. It's beautiful! Took a pic a few hours ago, so I'll have that up in the next day or two.
The first 3 hours of ownership were quite an experience. As many of you know, I'm new to driving stick-shift. About 6 weeks ago I rented a tiny Ford Aspire hatchback to learn. After a day of practicing, I felt like I had it. In fact, I drove it all the way from my place back to the rental place near the airport (about 15 miles) with nary a problem - a little rough around the edges, but I felt I had it just fine - very few stalls. Then comes time to drive my new Jeep off the lot yesterday afternoon. I don't know if it was the different vehicle, or nerves about the new sled, or just that it had been awhile, but I could not get the damn thing to move forward in first. This was SO EMBARRASSING!!! I stalled the thing 4 or 5 times until I finally jerked it into gear and drove it off the lot. I didn't even look behind me to watch all the salespeople laughing, which I'm sure they were. Anyway, finally got it on the road, and took it to my buddy's place about 1/4 of a mile away, and we drove around his neighborhood for a while, stalling and jerking all the while. Old men were walking their dogs and just kept staring at this beautiful brand new yellow Jeep jerking around. I can't tell you how (1) embarrassed, and (2) frustrated I was. What was worse, I was afraid I was messing up my brand new beauty before I even had a chance to enjoy it. Needless to say, after about 30 minutes of jerking and stalling, I started to get the feel for it. I took a break, made a couple phone calls, and decided to go it alone for awhile. Well, something must have clicked because all of a sudden I could basically do it. Then I finally started to have fun. I found an empty parking lot with some speed bumps and played around there as the sun went down, climbing over curbs, taking speed bumps, doing 360's with that AWESOME turn radius, and listening to some CD's I made.
Then drove it all the way home to show my parents, and my dad has been practically salivating ever since. Somehow I think he may want one of these in a few years when his car gives out. I've gotten better and better with the shifting, and I feel 90% comfortable with it. Still avoiding hills, and parallel parking has been tricky and involves a few stalls, but they say practice makes perfect. One other interesting thing - I loaded my friend and his girlfriend in this afternoon and noticed a big difference in the amount of gas I need to give before I can get into first with so much more weight in the car. Again I got the hang of it, just a slightly different feel. Overall I'm having a BLAST with it and am constantly looking forward to the next time I have to go somewhere. Not to mention dying for hot weather to come SOON so I can take the top off.
Other things I've noticed:
* Reflections in the glass at night - I guess since you're higher up and there's so much glass around you, there are more reflections of other vehicles. At one point I thought a white car was coming up on my left, but then I realized it was a reflection of a car on my right. I think I'll get used to this and won't even notice it soon.
* Lack of power - this was expected, especially since I opted for the SE. I'm already used to it, though, and have no problems with it. The other features, the look, and the overall "feel" more than make up for the power issue.
* Noise - I don't think it's bad at all. Sure, it's louder than a car, but I think "louder" is an inaccurate term. I'd describe it as "less quiet" than a car. (of course, I have the hard top) I had the CD player going, and I was able to hear the music just fine, and hold conversations with no problem at all.
* Bumpiness - Somewhat, but I like it. This is part of what makes driving the Jeep so fun - you can really feel the road. I tried riding in the back seat, and it's REALLY bumpy back there - almost like a roller coaster! Again, I dug it.
* Sound - Decent, powerful, but pretty light on the bass. I might add the console-mounted subwoofer at some point.
* Top - I'm really glad I got the hard top. I watched the video, and boy...There are SO many steps involved in putting on and taking off the soft top! When the instruction started and I saw the top canopy come over the top in one piece like a sports convertible, I started thinking about getting one. But then all the other snaps, zips, etc. just seemed to go on forever. I think I'll be sticking with the hard top/no top configuration. By comparison, it seemed the hard top was easy to take off and replace - as long as you have someone to help.
Well that's it for now - I have a couple questions that I'll ask in the next post or two. I'm going to see a movie in about an hour - can't wait to take the ol' Jeep out again! Also might tackle Laurel Canyon or a similar hill tonight after midnight so there's no traffic. Then again, I might wait a week Thanks to everyone who answered my questions and queries while I was in the decision, ordering, and waiting phases - I really think this group is a valuable resource to have.
Mike in the NEW Solar Yellow SE!
Apr 06, 2001 (7:50 pm)
I noticed there are metal pins that look like small, fat hairpins around the bolts on either side of the rear folding seat. The instruction video says to remove these to fold the seat up. Can I discard them? They don't seem to serve a purpose.
Apr 06, 2001 (7:51 pm)
I asked my salesman about removing the doors - he said he doesn't recommend it, because "you can strip the bolt" when unscrewing it. Anyone experience this problem? I was under the impression it's pretty simple to do. And whatabout scratching up the paint on the bolts? Is this necessary, or do people use a cloth as a barrier between bolt and wrench to protect the paint?