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Jeep Wrangler, SUV
#18297 of 23397 Re: New Unlimited [mtngal]
Jun 19, 2005 (9:48 pm)
I had a professor once who was extraordinarily dismayed when the CJs were discontinued in 1986, only to be replaced by the Wrangler. He called Wranglers comptuers on wheels, or something like that, and refused to buy new. So to him, even the 1991 would be a modern abomination. I guess it's all in the perspective (like each generation hating the music of the generation before).
And while I don't subscribe to this, people like my professor say after the CJs ceased, and AMC was sold to Chrysler, that was it for "real" Jeeps. Square lights and all. Wranglers were made for about a year under AMC, and from there on (including your '91) they became the purview of Chrysler's Jeep/Eagle division.
Consumer Reports (can we cite them on Edmunds?) generally poo poos the Wrangler, but also offers this backhanded compliment. They allude to Wrangler's impeccable off road capabilities, and consider it to be otherwise "too true to its roots."
I think the "logic" -- if that's the right word -- of the interior is extreme mass production. Easy to swap steering from left to right. Well, that's the only one I can think of, but I'm sure I read somewhere there were other modular benefits which translates into cost effectiveness, blah, blah, blah.
Your 1991 worked great for you, and that's awesome, but that doesn't mean everything else is garbage. There's a huuuge school of thought to the contrary. For that matter, I've heard people say a/c in a Jeep is sacrilege. (Though, again, I looove my a/c). And I'm sure when they intro a new Wrangler I'll be all upset about how they screwed it up too, and I'll never want anything other than my '04.
Anyways, hope it all works out for you. Keep us posted.
#18298 of 23397 Re: New Unlimited [mtngal]
Jun 19, 2005 (9:51 pm)
Mtngal, a Tacoma?! For shame!
#18299 of 23397 Re: New Unlimited [embeeduece]
Jun 20, 2005 (5:03 am)
"a Tacoma? For shame!"
LOL! Actually, mechanically it wasn't that bad of a vehicle. If we had replaced the seats early on, I might still have it (well, maybe not, since it had so many miles on it when I sold it a year ago).
I've left the choice of our next vehicle totally up to my other half. At first he was leaning toward an Unlimited Rubicon, but now he's talking about getting a full sized pick-up (model changes weekly). We do miss the extra hauling capacity of a pick-up every so often. Renting full sized SUVs or pickups for a week to haul junk around can get expensive quickly. We aren't in any rush (can't do anything about it now anyway) and the decision, when the time comes, will be his (do you know how hard it is to not put my 2 cents in?!).
#18300 of 23397 Re: New Unlimited [embeeduece]
Jun 20, 2005 (5:36 am)
Consumer Reports (can we cite them on Edmunds?)...
It's not a problem. They are not an automotive siter per se and you're obviously not soliciting for them.
#18301 of 23397 Re: New Unlimited [embeeduece]
Jun 20, 2005 (6:00 am)
Well said, Mike. When the YJ came out, the same thing was heard from the CJ crowd. And now, TJ folks are talking about how bad the TK is going to be.
I'm with John, show us the pictures!
#18302 of 23397 Re: Backseat headrests? [jimlw2]
Jun 20, 2005 (6:55 am)
Jim, (and others) thanks for the reply. My "kids" are 13 and 15 and I could try to put them in booster seats but the 15 year old is already bigger than I am (steroids in the milk?) and I don't want to make him angry. I've called lots of local automobile upholstery places and just get a long pause after my question of whether headrests can be added to a bench seat. I've googled the subject and so far have found one site that makes a bench seat for the wrangler with head rests but it looks like it bolts in and would lose any fold and tumble action. I may have to choose between the two functions if I can't locate anything else. Boyd
#18303 of 23397 Gas Mileage - My First Tankful
Jun 20, 2005 (7:56 am)
Just computed my mpg on eXcalibur's first tankfull....came out to 16.68; I'd estimate 90 percent of that was tooling around town...and a/c usage at about 20 percent.
Seems on target to Edmund's listed estimate of 15 in town. I left my lead foot back in the 70's someplace, so with conservative driving, I'm pleased.
Am I about on average for the rest of you?
Speaking of bugs (did I mention I HATE those?), took eXcalibur and my pooch out for a spin at dusk Saturday evening, and of course was on the alert for those things bent on permanently altering their composition on my windshield.
Now, I'm not kidding....I never in a million years thought that bug shield I put on last week would really help, but I truly saw some nasties get caught in the updraft from the shield and went up and over the cab. Yoweeee!
Some of them were desperate enough to get through, but it was nowhere near as bad as my first night-time outing when eXcalibur eliminated roughly 1,000,000 of them. I know the consensus here is that the shields look unsightly, but thought I'd share my $.02 worth.
Jun 20, 2005 (9:43 am)
My 16 year old daughter and I already love our unlimited and for father's day we went to Hollister hills to see what stuff we could do.
Looking at nasty trails and trusting a jeep to make it up or down them is incredible! We learned that a just because a trail only has "one" black diamond it doesn't mean it's the easiest trail. I only backed down twice. Once on a double black diamond trail with white rocks and nasty boulders. And later a giggle-fest of a dirt mound that spit dirt into the jeep and refused to let us get over.
I let my daughter drive it up a 200-300 yard soft dirt grade of at least 50-60 degrees. All I know is that I looked back and it looked straight down. And while I was verbally cheering her on, I was quietly dreading the possibilities if she stopped.
I admit my jeep with less than 2500 miles looked a bit overdressed and wayyy too clean. But the other jeepers there were nice. One even advised that since I have the longer Unlimited wheelbase that I would need an 8inch (!) lift for maximum capability. I don't plan going further than a 3.5" lift but 8" sounds awesome.
No pictures, I'll get some next time. I want some with mud. The scratches should buff out and the interior cleans out fine. Easily worth the price of admission.
#18305 of 23397 Re: First dirt! [ravager]
Jun 20, 2005 (9:49 am)
WAY TO GO!
You didn't waste any time getting that Jeep into its natural habitat. Your Jeep will love you for letting it do what it was born to do.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#18306 of 23397 Re: First dirt! [ravager]
Jun 20, 2005 (11:24 am)
Loved your story of Hollister Hills - it certainly contrasted with how I spent yesterday. I carefully washed and waxed GiGi (the last 2 weekends she's been parked next to a construction zone). I've ordered one of those bags to take your windows with you and I wanted to make sure it won't take me forever to clean them when it finally arrives. I've been thinking of starting to carry a squirter bottle of water with me to clean the windows if I want to take the top down sometime when I'm wandering around.
To be fair, Saturday I took the Sport out on a forest service road that is normally steep and rough enough to think about shifting into 4Hi. However, since the national forest sustained so much damage this past winter, they've ended up grading many of the roads in order to get heavy equipment in to clear the fallen trees, etc. All except for a few motorcycle trails are now open, but they're all easier than they were last year. That's OK with me - at least they are open, and I can get away now.