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#16747 of 23393 Re: 05 X or Sport? [letdolphin] by embeeduece

Apr 22, 2005 (10:54 pm)

Replying to: letdolphin (Apr 22, 2005 9:00 pm)
>If you "order" a Jeep from the Dealer with your specific must haves can you still expect to pay about $200 over invoice or are you going to be MSRP?
 
No MSRP ever! See my post earlier today (Friday) about ordering a Jeep and doing so in a way that takes the negotiating out of it (i.e. via fax). But no matter how you buy: no MSRP!
 
Not sure how I feel about comparing in this particular chat what we all paid. Don't want anyone to feel like they got taken. More importantly, **I** don't want to feel like I got taken. But even with the special order, I worked out what I think was a pretty sweet deal. For SoCal people, special ordering a Jeep is like going to In N Out. Animal Style isn't on the menu; you just have to know about it.
 
Others will have more info for you, but like has been said, yes the dealers want to clear out inventory, but Jeep (DC) wants to sell Jeeps. Plus, an ordered Jeep does something good for the dealer involving volume I think. Irresepctive, there is **no** penalty for ordering. Sure they will try to sell you on one on the lot but don't let 'em (unless you like it).
 
The only thing they hung me up on was the incentives. The incentive deal will be the one in effect when the Jeep arrives, not when it's ordered. So they might run worst case scenario numbers until your Wrangler arrives. But back in 2003, when I bought my '04, the incentives stayed static, & kept getting extended.
 
As always, Edmunds can run numbers for you on MSRP, invoice, what people are paying on average, and something else I forget.
 
Evetnually someone here will point out the real virtue of speical ordering -- a personalized window sticker. I got mine framed.
 
Good luck,
Mike
 
P.S. Big Fan of Full Doors.

#16748 of 23393 Vibration by embeeduece

Apr 22, 2005 (10:59 pm)

A while back we were discussing front end vibrations. It happened again today, on the same stretch of road where it happpened the first time. Of course that makes it sound like the road is the problem, but I don't recall it happening in any other car I've driven through the same area. And the vibration seemed excessive for what looked like minor to moderate ripples. I mean if a small pot hole can give the Wrangler a seizure I have to wonder about that "trail rating." As in other cases, a brief pull over solved the problem. Personally, I think I've found the surface street equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle.
 
If anyone's in L.A., it's south on Westwood b/w Pico and National. Far right lane.
 
-Mike

#16749 of 23393 Noobies by tsjay

Apr 23, 2005 (3:42 am)

We have been blessed lately with LOTS of new folks. I am posting this to welcome you fellow Jeepers and you prospective Jeepers who are new to this forum.
 
I'm not the "official greeter" or "official" anything around here, but I like to make new folks feel welcome.
 
If I have info to address your questions in your intial post, then I will respond, but if I can't help you with your question, then please let this post serve as your welcome to Edmunds Jeep Wrangler from me.
 
My only experience with short wheel base Jeeps is with my current Jeep, an 01 Sport. I most likely will not be able to help anyone with their questions about YJs or CJs.
 
Tom
 
Have you hugged your Jeep today?

#16750 of 23393 Re: Vibration [embeeduece] by tsjay

Apr 23, 2005 (3:53 am)

Replying to: embeeduece (Apr 22, 2005 10:59 pm)
Mike:
 
If something kept going on after you had already passed the pothole, and you had to stop to make it quit, then it sounds like "Death Wobble" on a smaller scale. Maybe "Serious but Stable Condition Wobble?"
 
I think I remember some posting a while back about Death Wobble. Was that because of this problem of yours?
 
Something could have come loose in your suspension system, Mike. A loose trac bar can cause this, and I have heard that the trac bar needs to be REAL tight. Have also heard of it being fixed by a tire rotation.
 
Keep us posted on how this goes.
 
Tom
 
Have you hugged your Jeep today?

#16751 of 23393 Re: 05 X or Sport? [letdolphin] by tsjay

Apr 23, 2005 (4:17 am)

Replying to: letdolphin (Apr 22, 2005 9:00 pm)
If you "order" a Jeep from the Dealer with your specific must haves can you still expect to pay about $200 over invoice or are you going to be MSRP?
 
No reason to expect to pay more for a factory order. And, as someone already said, NO WAY you should pay MSRP! I called my salesman buddy who I bought Thelma Jane from, and he said they are selling Wranglers for $100 over invoice now, and the buyer gets any DC incentives.
  
I have priced my Jeep and it is basically a Sport but seems to be cheaper to add the items on the X platform, am I missing something?
  
I plan to eventually take it off road and will most likely want to upgrade the Rear Axle ... should I go ahead and add this to the Jeep or wait ??
 
Think it was Mac who answered this already, but I'll add my two cents worth.
 
If you think you will want to go with larger tires and a locker sometime down the road, then it would be wise to get the Dana 44 rear axle. This axle is not available on the X Model, unless you get the Rocky Mountain version, which is NICE.
 
For light to moderate off roading, the Dana 35 would probably hold up, but with the Dana 44, you keep your options open for some more radical wheelin' and larger tires and lockers.
 
A VERY important factor is the gearing of the differentials. I would AVOID the 3.07 gearing at all costs. If you ever go with larger tires, the 3.07 gearing will lug your engine down too much. You will have really lousy acceleration and will have a hard time on long hills.
 
Also, for off roading, you often want to go SLOW. So, your crawl speed is important in many off road situations, and the 3.07 gearing will make you have to feather the clutch in order to creep as slow as you want to. For engine braking going down extremely steep sections of trail, you will find that the 3.07 gears do not slow you down enough, and you will have to over-use the brakes.
 
Guess you've already said you want 3.73 gears, so I am just saying you are definitely on the mark there.
  
I want a manual 4.0L I6, 3.73 Axle Ratio, Ecco Tire & Wheel Group, 7 Speakers, Air Conditioning, Full Metal Doors & the Tow Hooks.
 
Have you considered the AAS option? It's available on the Sport and is an UNBELIEVABLE bargain! For a mere $670 you get the gorgeous Ravine wheels, gas shocks, 30" tires, and the Dana 44 rear axle with 3.73 gears!!! That is a NO BRAINER.
  
Thanks so much for your input.
 
You are welcome! Glad you have joined us here. Stick around and keep us posted on your progress in getting your Jeep. Hope you get the best Jeep for your needs at the best possible price.
 
Tom
 
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
 
P.S. Not sure when, but I'll bet we are not more than a cpuple weeks away from the deadline to place an order for an 05 Wrangler. Production of the 06's will begin in early July, I think.

#16752 of 23393 Re: 05 X or Sport? [embeeduece] by tsjay

Apr 23, 2005 (4:31 am)

Replying to: embeeduece (Apr 22, 2005 10:54 pm)
The only thing they hung me up on was the incentives. The incentive deal will be the one in effect when the Jeep arrives, not when it's ordered. So they might run worst case scenario numbers until your Wrangler arrives. But back in 2003, when I bought my '04, the incentives stayed static, & kept getting extended.
 
Mike:
 
It ain't supposed to be that way. You get the incentive that was in effect at the time of your order, or you get the incentive at the time of delivery, if it has gone up by that time. You are not supposed to be able to "lose" on incentives is what I have been told.
 
Can someone else comment on this, please?
 
Tom

#16753 of 23393 Re: Man, GOT SOAKED TODAY! [koolbreeze2] by tsjay

Apr 23, 2005 (5:45 am)

Replying to: koolbreeze2 (Apr 22, 2005 3:58 pm)
John:
 
Glad ya got there safely. Be careful coming home.
 
Yeppers, that was SOME experience I had last summer. I was topless and doorless and totally at the mercy of mother nature (and she wasn't too merciful that day).
 
This was just another testimony to the toughness of the Wrangler. Not a bit of permanent damage was done, even though there was standing water in the foot wells (well, on the drivers side anyway... had a hole in the floor pan on the passenger side that let the water out).
 
I found out later that the storm I got caught in dropped four inches of rain in an hour, or something like that. It was an unusually hard rain to say the least.
 
The rain was so hard that people were pulled over to the side of the road, since they couldn't see where they were going. And there I went, slowly cruising along, totally soaked. Poor old Ross Allen was not exactly a happy camper at that time.
 
We had a 70 mile drive home from Turkey Bay, and, needless to say, it was not exactly a pleasant trip.
 
Good old Thelma Jane dried out, and I never had a bit of trouble with any electrical stuff or anything. Jeeps are TOUGH!
 
Tom
 
Have you hugged your Jeep today?

#16754 of 23393 DOORS by crrazy1

Apr 23, 2005 (6:24 am)

Ok I know what everyone says.... Just removed the bolts and the doors lift off. But it does not work. I have a 2002 Wrangler with full doors. I have removed the door bolts but the darn things still will not budge. I have tried to lift them no luck. Can anyone help?
 
Thanks!

#16755 of 23393 Re: DOORS [crrazy1] by tsjay

Apr 23, 2005 (7:03 am)

Replying to: crrazy1 (Apr 23, 2005 6:24 am)
Ok, Crrazy1, sounds like the hinges are stuck. Let me guess... the doors have never been off?
 
If you have removed the nuts from the top and bottom hinge, and if you have slipped the limiting strap off of its hook inside the doorway, then you should be able to get the door off by slowly swinging the door open and closed, while at the same time lifting up. Use some PB Blaster to loosen things up.
 
If that doesn't work, then you may need to use a jack. Build some kind of STABLE platform to get the jack high enough, and put a two by four under the door to distribute the force evenly. SLOWLY jack up the door. Do this procedure slowly, using common sense, so that you don't damage something.
 
Doors that have never been off can be a bear.
 
Be careful as the door comes off not to let those exposed threads come in contact with the paint job on your Jeep. Those threads can do a real job on paint! Be prepared for a LOT of weight. Full doors are heavy.
 
Pull #4 fuse to keep the interior light from staying on.
 
Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
 
Tom
 
Have you hugged your Jeep today?

#16756 of 23393 Where are all the new folks coming from??? by tsjay

Apr 23, 2005 (7:10 am)

Hey, don't get me wrong... I am VERY happy to see all the new folks showing up around here, but I have to wonder why all of a sudden we have so many newbies???
 
Once again, welcome to all of you.
 
Tom
 
Have you hugged your Jeep today?

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