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#16725 of 23397 Fuse Box question - Installing Radio in Wrangler
Apr 22, 2005 (7:41 am)
I'm installing a radio in a 1997 Jeep Wrangler. I purchased the vehicle recently and it didn't have any radio installed. Unfortunately the manuals are gone too. Does anyone know which fuse I need to check? I'm not sure one was ever put into the fuse box at the manufacturer.
If anyone has a picture of the fuse box diagram/schematic from a Wrangler Owner's Manual that would probably answer my question too.
#16726 of 23397 Re: Hello Everyone! [3mindy3]
Apr 22, 2005 (10:05 am)
Hi Mindy. I'm not even close to being the tech expert of the group, but I'll adress what I can.
I do a lot of city driving and freeway (expressway) driving, so the 4 cyl was never an option for me. I did test a 4 cyl with manual transmission. Driving stick gets a little more out of it.
I have the add a trunk. Enh. I would still buy it again, but given its size they should really call it Add-a-Glove Box. And I installed a bag on the rear door, which when full is hard to close against the trunk. Still, there are times when I'm glad it's there, to throw valuabes in. And it's easily removed.
Axles and tires I can't speak to.
As a former New Englander, yeah, you might need the dual top or hard top. I will say the air and heat work very well in the soft top. And a/c will be invaluable in a muggy New England August.
I ponied up for the 7 speaker subwoofer package. Have nothing to compare it too, but the wind noise when the top's down (and the road noise with the top up) made that an easy choice. A lot of people say you can do better and cheaper in after market sound systems, but I didn't want to take the time. I wanted the Jeep ready to go when I picked her up.
Sounds like maybe the X package might be good for you. The basest 6 cyl model they have, with a few bells and whistles. An affordable compromise b/w the 4 cyl SE and the 6 cyl Sport.
Start with a stripped Jeep on paper, then go through the list and see what you need vs. want. Sometimes the "needs" are part of packages that get you "wants" too. And you never have to settle for what's on the lot. Many people here, me included, special ordered Jeeps and got exactly what we wanted.
My attitude, and it's not for everyone, is when you're talking about $20,000, bettter to spend an extra grand and make the whole investment worth it, than try to save a few bucks and not enjoy what you did get. If you get out for 19 grand, but never really like the vehicle, then you've wasted 19 grand. Also, lump sums sound daunting, but when you factor option prices into monthly payments over a five year loan, sometimes we're just talking tens of dollars per month. But I have the luxury of that kind of thinking. No kids, no responsibilities, etc.
Walking into a dealership is never a good experience. I adopted a method from The Motley Fool, to fax fleet managers a description of the Jeep I wanted, and a deadline to make me an offer. 2 out of 10 responded, but they didn't know that. And one came back with a really attractive offer. Not once did I have to haggle with anyone.
Finally, there was a recent discussion here 2-3 weeks ago about Jeeps and the environment. My take is that cars are cars, and everything else is splitting hairs / variations on a theme until the next technological leap. (BTW, Happy Earth Day everyone!)
Others will chime in as well. Good luck.
#16727 of 23397 Re: Hello Everyone! [3mindy3]
Apr 22, 2005 (10:50 am)
Is the 6 cyl worth it? Most of my driving will be in congested big city traffic, with weekend getaways to the mountains. Not necessarily strict off-roading. My understanding is the power of the wrangler 6 cyl translates to increased low-end torque, rather than speediness. Do people feel that the 4cyl is adequate in the situation I described?
Hi, Mindy! Welcome to the board.
To answer your question above, the 4.0L I-6 is what you need for the weekends in the mountains. The four banger would do the job in town, but not on the highway. As far as off roading, the four banger does just as well as the six. When you are in the lower gears, as in town or on the trails, the four banger is fine.l It's out on the highway that the four comes up way short, especially in hilly or mountainous terrain.
If I get the wimpier axles, can I still off-road (realistically only lightly) reasonably well or will I splinter in 2 out in the middle of moose country? Same question, accept now for the 30 inch tires. Will I have the option of putting 30 inch wheels on after market without a lift or modifications?
You probably don't need the Dana 44 for the type of off roading you would be doing, but it sure will not HURT anything, and you really do want to get the 3.73 gearing that comes with the 30" wheel and tire package. A few posts up the screen, you will see a discussion about the AAS package. It's an unbelievable bargain at $670! You get the 30" tires, the gorgeous Ravine wheels, gas shocks, and the Dana 44 heavy dury rear axle. There may be a way to get the 3.73 gearing without the 30" tires... not sure.
Mindy, best thing you can do is read a BUNCH of the posts in here. Reading these may bring some issues to light that you would not have thought to ask about.
We love to talk Jeep around here, so ask all the questions you want.
To get your best deal, put things in terms of invoice. Call a bunch of dealers and ask the simple question, "For how much in relation to invoice will you sell me a new Jeep?" This way the deals you get on differently equipped Jeeps can be directly compared. Obviously, a Jeep with more options will cost more, but you would expect that to be true. You can STILL compare how much that Jeep is being offered for vs. invoice. Since you don't have a trade in, it will be REALLY easy for you to get the best possible deal.
Maybe my little website about my buying experisnce would be useful to you.
Keep us posted as you do your Jeep shopping. Good luck.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#16728 of 23397 axles and such
Apr 22, 2005 (10:57 am)
Man, Tom beat me to it
For mild trail riding and offroading the lighter D35 will work fine for you. It comes in to play when you do things like rocks or are in a situation when the tires are stuck and you apply torque. The D35 can handle the 30" tires (I have them on my SE right now). If you want to go up to 33" and larger, the D44 would probably be a better choice for you. With those axles you also need to consider gearing. 3.73 gearing or lower (meaning higher number, like 4.11) will handle larger tires better, at the expense of RPM's and mileage.
I'd go dual top up in the northeast. Cheapest way to do it from the get-go. You also need to consider full vs half height doors. Hard top comes with full doors usually, but you can add the half doors for when you have the soft top (or go w/o doors entirely).
AC will work fine with a soft top, but in NE, do you really need it? Better to have it and not need it though, than to to not have it and really need it (like for a road trip to a warmer clime).
Aftermarket wheels will give you better (more) backspacing, making the tires/wheels stick out a bit more from the Jeep. This will give you stability and the ability to run larger tires down the road (no pun intended) should you decide to go bigger. Larger tires mean a lift also (if over 31") but that is for later.
My stock stereo was pathetic with only 2 speakers and no CD. I went aftermarket. If you want factory, go with the 7 speaker option.
Either way, realize that security is important in a Jeep. I have a tuffy console for securing my subwoofer and a few electronics I sometimes carry. NEVER lock a soft top door, it just begs to get sliced if somebody wants in. Never keep valuables in it overnight or for any length of time.
If you DO opt for a 4cyl, go with a manual. You will probably find the 4cyl inadequate for driving up into mountains on a highway, but it is nice for flat highway and in-town cruising. I lived in Cali and lived at 4200 ft. Work was at 2000 ft. Driving the TJ up that grade on a windy day... goodbye 5th, goodbye 4th, hello 3rd. I'd go with a 6 cyl.
X - basic 6 cyl with D35 rear, D30 front axles
Sport - 6 cyl with a few more goodies standard, D44 is an option
Rubicon - top of the line
You CAN get an X model with a D44 if you want. It is in the Rocky Mountain Edition. Nice little package...
- 7 Speakers with Subwoofer and Tweeters
- Cloth High-Back Bucket Seats
- Fog Lamps
- Heavy Duty Dana 44/226mm Rear Axle
- High-Pressure Gas-Charged Shock Absorbers
- Instrument Panel with Black Bezel
- Premium Fender Flares
- Rocky Mountain Edition Badge
- 30" Tire & Wheel Group
- 15" x 8.0" "Ravine" Aluminum Wheels
-- 3.73 Axle Ratio
-- 30X9.50R15LTB Wrangler OWL A/T Tires
With these Jeeps and the mild trail running you sound like you want to do, armor may not be a big deal, but if you get into severe trails with trees, rocks, and such, gas skids, steering box skids, rocker protection (under the doors) and a winch are something you might want to consider. You may not want it now, but you may find down the road, like Tom did, that offroading is fun and the jeep can do a LOT of cool stuff. But you want to protect it so you can get home!
Good luck and ask any questions you want!
#16729 of 23397 Re: Hello Everyone! [3mindy3]
Apr 22, 2005 (12:00 pm)
To answer a couple of your questions:
1. I don't like the add-a-trunk. I don't think it adds all that much security, it's small and because I was often hauling a Golden Retriever in the back to hiking trails, it would have been very much in the way. I ended up taking the back seat out of the Sport several years ago, and use it now for a saddle rack under my stairs. That said, I live in a pretty safe neighborhood and never leave anything in the soft top Jeep overnight.
2. The 6 cylinder will be worth it if you spend any time on the highway. Wranglers are not very quiet vehicles to begin with and then add in the staining of a smaller engine - you are definitely better off with the 6. Besides, there isn't very much difference in the mpg ratings between the 2.
3. Until you get into some more technical off-roading, the lighter axle is fine. If you can get the Dana 44, do it. But if it comes down to getting the D35 or not getting a Jeep, then get the Jeep. If you get smaller tires, you can always add the 30" wheels later - there will be enough room no matter which axle or body style you have. As others have mentioned, you might have issues with the gearing if you get the 3.07 gears and go with bigger tires later, but you won't need a lift. There are really 2 reasons to get the 30" tires - first is for additional ground clearance (do you need it for where you will be going?) and the second for looks.
4. Tops - if you have a garage then going for the dual tops makes sense. If you think you might want both tops, also go that route - it is cheaper to get the dual top option than to go aftermarket (well, today in the age of ebay it may no longer be, but it sure was back in '98 when I bought the Sport). I don't have a garage and so never considered the dual top option - I have no place to store the hard top, and no easy way to get it off, either. Our soft top Unlimited got us easily through this winter. I missed the really big snow fall we had this year, so I don't know how the soft top would have held up to close to 2 foot of snow one evening. However, it did fine during the snow we had (say, 6 inches in a night) and the top doesn't make much difference when it comes to temperature - the hard top isn't insulated, so they offer about the same protection from the cold. The heater can handle temps down to 0 F easily.
5. I'm not the best one to answer your radio question - my soft top is an Unlimited and it has extra padding and sound insulation. It is quieter than my hardtop Sport. The Unlimited also has the 7 speaker option and I'm happy with it. I did change out the radio because I wanted the Alpine head that includes the XM tuner in it. The Sport has the '98 standard radio (only 2 speakers, no soundbar) and I can hear it easily if I turn it up (the quality isn't very good though). The sound pods are now standard, which are definitely better.
6. AC is necessary for any vehicle out here in SoCal. We haven't had any really hot weather since I got the soft top so I'm not sure how effective the AC will be (though it worked well the one time last year when it was in the 90s going across the Mojave desert). We've never had a problem in the hard top Sport, and it's a black vehicle, so I'm not anticipating any problems. Besides, you won't be using the AC if the top is down.
#16730 of 23397 Re: Color of Iconolast's New Unlimited!!! posted by jeff62301 [iconoclast]
Apr 22, 2005 (12:36 pm)
Hi Keith - Thanks for info in both your responses. I test-drove an automatic trans Unlimited from the dealer and drove it to my house only a few miles away. I let my wife drive it back to the dealer via some very nasty dirt roads in our area. She couldn't believe how smoothly and well-controlled it was on those bumps, dips, and washboard. She now understands that it would be a fun addition to our family. I'm going to go with auto since she says she's very unlikely to drive it if it's a stick.
Regarding your top/interior color...you called it "kiwi" but I'm wondering if you meant "kahki". My 2005 Wrangler brochure only shows black and kahki as top/interior/fender color options. Again, just want to be sure I get it right because your Wrangler looks sweet! I wish you a good trip to Utah...sounds fun!
#16731 of 23397 95 JEEP WRANGLER DOOR PROBLEMS
Apr 22, 2005 (1:57 pm)
I have a 95 Jeep wrangler with full steel doors and the passenger side door doesn't want to open. When I pull the handle I have to pull both the inside and out side handles to get the door to open. What is the problem with the door what part should I replace? Is it the handle on the inside, outside, or the mechanical things on inside?
#16732 of 23397 Re: 2005 yellow [keats]
Apr 22, 2005 (2:03 pm)
Will it be a 2005 or 2006 model?...may I ask where you heard this?
#16733 of 23397 JEEP WRANGLER RUNNING TO RICH
Apr 22, 2005 (2:04 pm)
My Jeep Wrangler is running to rich I have had to replace my muffler twice because it was getting to hot and falling apart, good thing it had a lifetime warranty. I finaly just went ahead and put in a magnaflow which I was told wouldn't break from the heat. Some one told me I should replace the oxygen sensor do you think this will solve the problem?
#16734 of 23397 Re: Man, GOT SOAKED TODAY! [tsjay]
Apr 22, 2005 (2:58 pm)
Greetings Tom and everyone. I Have been in Toronto Canada since Thursday. Nice Jeep trip in Rosie. Left Connecticut at 9am and arrived at my Sister in Laws house at 6pm. Rained almost all the way. Its the longest trip I have taken in a Wrangler. Very interesting, Stayed at 65 all the way. Of course everyone else is going 80! No leaks with the soft top but some white knuckle driving but not the water you got with Ross Allen. All the Canadian Jeeps I have seen have a TJ decal on the side. Interesting. Heading back on Sun. More rain in the forcast for the trip. Not one wave yet. Perhaps its my grey beard? Go Easy, John