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Jeep Wrangler, SUV
#16074 of 23397 Re: Jeep Junkie thinking of purchasing a Prius - HELP ME! [bardgal]
Mar 13, 2005 (12:15 pm)
Like MAC said, "interesting post". I have driven many vehicles in my life-old hot rods, VW's, Caddys, Towncars, Healys, trucks, bikes, etc. I have also owned 3 Jeeps through the years. I look for two things in a vehicle-dependability and fun. Which of the two vehicles you are looking at is the most dependable and fun? Dependability and fun is very difficult to find. I presently own a 2003 Wrangler. It fits my requirements. Figure out what you can live with and go for it.Most people see driving as a means to an end. A necessity-which of course it is. But Wrangler owners go the next step. To actually have fun every time you drive is unique and somewhat rare. As you know, it actually becomes a hobby. Let us know what you decide. You won't get any judgement on this site. Just Jeepers wishing you the best of luck. Go Easy, John
#16075 of 23397 Re: Jeep Junkie thinking of purchasing a Prius - HELP ME! [mac24]
Mar 13, 2005 (12:16 pm)
Even IF Toyota Boy comes back and make all things equal, I don't know if I can give up my Wrangler. I have never been so torn about anything in my life.
The Barbie tires on the Prius scare me.
The software problems scare me.
The eco-awesomeness is soooo tempting.
#16076 of 23397 Re: Ground clearance;Rubicon vs Unlimited [tsjay]
Mar 13, 2005 (12:50 pm)
Thanks, Tom. I went out for some more definitive measurements today and found some interesting numbers proving that 31" will fit on a stock unlimited. Measuring from the ground to the top of the wheel flares, in the front the Rubicon measures 33" and the Unlimited 32"; from the ground to the body under the door both are 19"; and from the ground to the rear flares the Rubicon is 32" and the Unlimited is 35"! Measured 5 different vehicles to make sure and these are the measurements. So the same tire on the Rubicon will fit on the Unlimited and give the same ground clearance. WOW, can't believe a tire dealer gave all the wrong information especially about the Rubicon being raised 2"! Just ain't so!
Mar 13, 2005 (2:18 pm)
The Prius may cause you to bubble with joy for a while, like any new car would, but can you see yourself being all excited about it after having it as long as you have had your Jeep????
You know my history, if you have read many posts in here. I traded cars as often as a lot of people change underwear, and I would be all excited about my new car... for about six months max! I would be tired of my car and trying my best to figure out a way to trade again in no time.
Well, here it is four years after buying my Thelma Jane, and I am still as thrilled with her as I was on Day One. Sounds like you are the same way about your Jeep.
Since you don't drive many miles per year, what's the big deal about the Prius? Are you willing to give up driving THE MOST FUN VEHICLE IN THE WORLD for the sake of a few bucks savings on gas?
GET THE JEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#16078 of 23397 Re: bardgal [tsjay]
Mar 13, 2005 (2:32 pm)
#16079 of 23397 bardgal
Mar 13, 2005 (2:44 pm)
I don't know how long you plan to keep your next car, but you need to understand that the battery pack used in the Prius will wear out eventually-and replacing it won't be cheap. I'd guess the cost to be at least $2000. That said, if you plan to flip the sled before it reaches 100,000 miles or so battery life shouldn't be a factor. Let me give you a third choice-a new Liberty diesel. Great mileage with true off-road capability. And-unlike the Prius-when you drive it you won't be mistaken for a counter-cultural eco-weenie!
#16080 of 23397 bardgal
Mar 13, 2005 (3:37 pm)
I'm with Tom. After reading your post it's pretty obvious you want to keep the Jeep. Who can blame you, it's a fun vehicle.
We're a long long way from being independent of mid-east oil. Electric hybrids definitely aren't the long term answer.
I have a solution! If DC comes out with the turbo-diesel for the new Wranglers, get one of those vegetable oil filtering systems and get buddy-buddy with the local McDonalds manager
Seriously, as anybody read about this? Pretty interesting stuff. From what I read, you need to run the used oil through a pretty hefty filter system to remove all the impurities.
Mar 13, 2005 (4:15 pm)
You want the Wrangler, get the Wrangler. If the diesel Liberty were available in California, I might be driving one of them in spite of the passenger seating problem I noticed. If they put one in the Wrangler, I'd be hard-pressed not to trade the Sport in on one. And speaking of the Sport - it's a '98 and is running very well, took me to go snowshoeing today.
The Prius is a nice vehicle. It isn't zero emissions - it is low emissions. And while it gets much better gas mileage than the Wrangler, it doesn't get enough to recoup the extra cost of the vehicle for someone who drives few miles.
I haven't heard about a filtration system so that you could use used vegetable oil in a diesel, though I have heard about biodiesel. If it gets more commonly available and if they would put out a diesel that would meet California standards, I'd certainly look at it. A friend of mine (another long distance commuter) has a diesel Jetta and gets like 45 mpg. He's had it for a couple of years and loves it.
#16082 of 23397 Re: bargal [mtngal]
Mar 13, 2005 (4:38 pm)
This car will have to last me a LONG TIME - say 7+ years, which is why I am gravitating towards the Jeep. SOLID. DEPENDABLE. TIME TESTED. The Prius has only been on the market here since 2001, and only a few years in Japan before that, so there's really no uber-longterm test out there as far as reliability goes. Yes, I could get 10yrs/100k warranty with the Prius, but ...... there's the software issue. Plus Jeep Man, who is miles away, (I've only talked on the phone/web to him, have NOT been to the dealership yet), is getting me a Khaki Sport soft top 6-spd from another dealer, and really wants my business. Toyota Boy wants me to "come back in" so they can work me some more. NEWS FLASH: I was in. They didn't meet my terms. They had their chance. I even gave them two more opportunities to do some dealing but they can't come up with numbers without me setting foot in the show room. THE WORLD HAS MOVED ON.
so - I've driven around in my current white baby today. Had some margaritas to brood about it all.... and am feeling good about picking up my new '05 JEEP tomorrow night.
And who knows... maybe sometime in the near future, someone will come up with a way to refit any vehicle to some sort of hydrogen, or hybrid technology, and I'll end up with the perfect Jeep.
It's just hard getting over my guilt because Prius is so eco-friendly. You'd think that Jeep would be coming out with a hybrid since so many loyal customers are OUTDOOR people......
Mar 13, 2005 (5:43 pm)
get buddy-buddy with the local McDonalds manager
I figure that it won't be too long before the fast food joints start selling their waste grease instead of paying to have it carted off.
But you could always swap Jeep rides for grease. That would be slick