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#16072 of 23397 Jeep Junkie thinking of purchasing a Prius - HELP ME!
Mar 13, 2005 (10:35 am)
I am a Jeep (Wrangler) Junkie. I currently drive a 2001 Wrangler Sport, 5-spd, soft top. I am a girl, so I am not biologically designed to LOVE a vehicle, but WOW, do I ever LOVE MY JEEP. But I have been thinking of getting a Prius because the OIL MEN are EVIL, and it's the right thing to do..... but I am torn. I didn't think I would be, but the time has come and I am. (I know, I am shocked and ashamed of myself.)
My lease is up, and I either purchase the Jeep I'm driving now - but why pay five more years on the same vehicle when I can pay five years for a NEW ONE and OWN IT? Get a new 6-sp Jeep (Wrangler or nothing). Or get a Prius (yes they're on the lots now with no waiting - hooray!)
I don't do a ton of driving right now. I fill my Jeep up maybe twice a month. I have NEVER had a single problem with the Jeep. NOT ONE. It is the most dependable car I've ever had. Period. I also love driving a 5-speed. The Jeep guys are going to throw in 2 years of free service...
Well.... our story so far: (I'm in So Cal, btw)
I want to reiterate how TORN I am. A month ago, when it was not something I had to do, I was hell-bent on a Prius. Now, that I am in a position where I must do something, and also something that I may need to drive for the next 8 years or so due to finances, dependability has become UBERIMPORTANTE!
The Prius dealer knows I have four Jeep dealers fighting for me. One has found my perfect Jeep. I was honest with the Prius sales manager and told him the great deal I was getting from them. This dealership has about ten Priuses on the lot right now, plus two "certified" pre-owned that are stickered MORE than the new ones across the street at their used lot. Gave him numbers, told him not to work me. Told him my bottom line, and he couldn't even match it, let alone beat it. Remember: Wranglers are MORE than Prius MSRP. Plus, with technology moving so fast, an '05 Prius isn't going to compare with an '08 Prius, where the Jeep never changes, so the resale is awesome. If the Prius dealer could have beaten the deal, I'd take it. And I just called him to tell him I was taking the Jeep, and he wants to run more numbers... the Jeep guy has never worked me for a second. Now I realize all this back and forth has nothing to do with the actual cars themselves... but bottom line, the extra I would be paying for the Prius, would not be saved on gasoline. Yes, zero emmisions rock. Yes, I am ashamed I am being so financially selfish. If my finances weren't in question here, the Prius would be sitting in my garage right now. But what the current evil administration has done to my personal situation unfortunately far outweighs my desire to tell the EVIL OIL companies and the BFEE to GFTS and ESAD.
The jury is still waiting for the final numbers to come back with a better offer for the Prius.... yes I drove it again. Handles like a sports car. Weird that you can't see the front of the vehicle. Really bad blind spot on the right side. Still. Nice and quiet. Inside plastic looks as if it scratches easily. TONS of leg & head room. And most important: Zero Emissions ROCK.
Why I Love My 2001 Wrangler Sport
ZERO mechanical problems in 5 years.
Still driving on original tires with TONS of tread left.
Tires seem to be made of 6" thick travertine.
The only things replaced are the timing belt, (because the guys at easy lube showed me how cracked it was) and the battery a month ago because I left the overhead light on like a doofus.
KICK ASS A/C and heat. (seriously the best I've ever experienced.)
With the side sail panels off and the back rolled up, it's like driving a patio.
If I lock my keys in the car, I just unzip it to get them out.
Having an open vehicle has been very liberating - you get past the fear of theft real quick.
Love driving a 5-speed manual transmission. Feel more in control of the car.
Very easy to manuever.
Love the power of a V6.
Turns on a dime.
Great stereo (mine has speakers in the roll-bar)
Zero-tech to malfunction. (So many tech-troubles I'm hearing about with the Prius... talk me past this please)
Dependable Dependable Dependable
Not the smoothest ride, but I love riding horses.
Great lumbar support.
With 30" tires, it's been wonderful driving through the flood waters these past few months.
Currently driving a white one, thinking of getting a Khaki one which I'll never have to wash since it's the color of dirt and will be fab with my red hair.
And to feed my ego - it's wonderful hearing "Nothing hotter than a sexy gal driving a Jeep."
Oh yeah, and: It's a JEEP a REAL JEEP.
So - Talk to me. Talk me in - or out. I need to make this decision in the next few days.
#16073 of 23397 Re: Jeep Junkie thinking of purchasing a Prius - HELP ME! [bardgal]
Mar 13, 2005 (11:16 am)
Interesting post, but it sounds like you've already figured out the answer you want to hear.
What kind of a response do you expect from a Jeep forum? I doubt you'll get many posts persuading you to get the Prius and dump the Jeep.
You can assuage your feelings about pollution and hatred of the oil companies with the thought that you drive very little, and so will turn very little gas into pollution and oil company profits. Also, a CA specification Wrangler will have the lowest emission output of the product line.
I suspect that the answers will be a little different from the Prius forum. Just pick the responses you like best!
#16074 of 23397 Re: Jeep Junkie thinking of purchasing a Prius - HELP ME! [bardgal]
Mar 13, 2005 (12:15 pm)
Like MAC said, "interesting post". I have driven many vehicles in my life-old hot rods, VW's, Caddys, Towncars, Healys, trucks, bikes, etc. I have also owned 3 Jeeps through the years. I look for two things in a vehicle-dependability and fun. Which of the two vehicles you are looking at is the most dependable and fun? Dependability and fun is very difficult to find. I presently own a 2003 Wrangler. It fits my requirements. Figure out what you can live with and go for it.Most people see driving as a means to an end. A necessity-which of course it is. But Wrangler owners go the next step. To actually have fun every time you drive is unique and somewhat rare. As you know, it actually becomes a hobby. Let us know what you decide. You won't get any judgement on this site. Just Jeepers wishing you the best of luck. Go Easy, John
#16075 of 23397 Re: Jeep Junkie thinking of purchasing a Prius - HELP ME! [mac24]
Mar 13, 2005 (12:16 pm)
Even IF Toyota Boy comes back and make all things equal, I don't know if I can give up my Wrangler. I have never been so torn about anything in my life.
The Barbie tires on the Prius scare me.
The software problems scare me.
The eco-awesomeness is soooo tempting.
#16076 of 23397 Re: Ground clearance;Rubicon vs Unlimited [tsjay]
Mar 13, 2005 (12:50 pm)
Thanks, Tom. I went out for some more definitive measurements today and found some interesting numbers proving that 31" will fit on a stock unlimited. Measuring from the ground to the top of the wheel flares, in the front the Rubicon measures 33" and the Unlimited 32"; from the ground to the body under the door both are 19"; and from the ground to the rear flares the Rubicon is 32" and the Unlimited is 35"! Measured 5 different vehicles to make sure and these are the measurements. So the same tire on the Rubicon will fit on the Unlimited and give the same ground clearance. WOW, can't believe a tire dealer gave all the wrong information especially about the Rubicon being raised 2"! Just ain't so!
Mar 13, 2005 (2:18 pm)
The Prius may cause you to bubble with joy for a while, like any new car would, but can you see yourself being all excited about it after having it as long as you have had your Jeep????
You know my history, if you have read many posts in here. I traded cars as often as a lot of people change underwear, and I would be all excited about my new car... for about six months max! I would be tired of my car and trying my best to figure out a way to trade again in no time.
Well, here it is four years after buying my Thelma Jane, and I am still as thrilled with her as I was on Day One. Sounds like you are the same way about your Jeep.
Since you don't drive many miles per year, what's the big deal about the Prius? Are you willing to give up driving THE MOST FUN VEHICLE IN THE WORLD for the sake of a few bucks savings on gas?
GET THE JEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#16078 of 23397 Re: bardgal [tsjay]
Mar 13, 2005 (2:32 pm)
#16079 of 23397 bardgal
Mar 13, 2005 (2:44 pm)
I don't know how long you plan to keep your next car, but you need to understand that the battery pack used in the Prius will wear out eventually-and replacing it won't be cheap. I'd guess the cost to be at least $2000. That said, if you plan to flip the sled before it reaches 100,000 miles or so battery life shouldn't be a factor. Let me give you a third choice-a new Liberty diesel. Great mileage with true off-road capability. And-unlike the Prius-when you drive it you won't be mistaken for a counter-cultural eco-weenie!
#16080 of 23397 bardgal
Mar 13, 2005 (3:37 pm)
I'm with Tom. After reading your post it's pretty obvious you want to keep the Jeep. Who can blame you, it's a fun vehicle.
We're a long long way from being independent of mid-east oil. Electric hybrids definitely aren't the long term answer.
I have a solution! If DC comes out with the turbo-diesel for the new Wranglers, get one of those vegetable oil filtering systems and get buddy-buddy with the local McDonalds manager
Seriously, as anybody read about this? Pretty interesting stuff. From what I read, you need to run the used oil through a pretty hefty filter system to remove all the impurities.
Mar 13, 2005 (4:15 pm)
You want the Wrangler, get the Wrangler. If the diesel Liberty were available in California, I might be driving one of them in spite of the passenger seating problem I noticed. If they put one in the Wrangler, I'd be hard-pressed not to trade the Sport in on one. And speaking of the Sport - it's a '98 and is running very well, took me to go snowshoeing today.
The Prius is a nice vehicle. It isn't zero emissions - it is low emissions. And while it gets much better gas mileage than the Wrangler, it doesn't get enough to recoup the extra cost of the vehicle for someone who drives few miles.
I haven't heard about a filtration system so that you could use used vegetable oil in a diesel, though I have heard about biodiesel. If it gets more commonly available and if they would put out a diesel that would meet California standards, I'd certainly look at it. A friend of mine (another long distance commuter) has a diesel Jetta and gets like 45 mpg. He's had it for a couple of years and loves it.