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#13895 of 23397 one step closer to getting my first jeep
Aug 22, 2004 (11:36 am)
sold the 4 runner, at least I think its sold, supposed to swap title for $$ on monday.
does anyone know a website / or have data on acceleration & braking of the 2004 wranglers? I'd like to see how it compares to what I've been driving.
went to the dealership yesterday to test drive again, and they were closed, (at 4pm) there was a rubi with the door unlocked and key in the glove box, thought about taking an extended test drive!!
has anyone had experiences buying from CARMAX.com? their prices look incredible and I doubt that the local dealer will match although I haven't asked yet, that was the reason for my visit yesterday (but they weren't open)
#13897 of 23397 Re: Tires and Camp Jeep [mac24]
Aug 22, 2004 (3:02 pm)
Thought so! I like the white with the grey. I don't think the black will look all that bad - granted, you won't have the monochrome look, but the black and grey won't look all that bad. I should know - that's what my Noble Black Steed looks like now (well, my top is still more or less black). Guess mine will look brand new next year, instead of an older, faded one...
#13898 of 23397 Re: one step closer to getting my first jeep [jeff62301]
Aug 22, 2004 (3:20 pm)
Sorry I can't help you with data or Carmax.
I've found that what is the most important thing is how a vehicle feels to me personally, rather than anything that is printed. For instance, I was really impressed with how stable the new Grand Cherokee felt - more like a sports car than a big SUV. Wranglers always feel so different than any other vehicle I've ever driven - they just don't compare well. If I had followed all of the press, I'm not sure I would have bought mine back in '98 and I would STILL have Wrangler fever!
Checking out everything is important - today we went to a Jeep dealer with the intention of doing a quick test drive and buying a Liberty to add to the Wrangler Sport. I had driven one on the Jeep 101 course and thought it was fun to drive. But I was so disappointed - it was just as fun to drive as I remembered, but I hadn't sat in the passenger's seat. I'm really short and I found that I would have had to sit at an angle to have both feet level - the side bump between the seats came over slightly right in front of the seat. If I were to sit straight, my left foot would be resting higher than my right (and not on a flat surface). My husband didn't have this problem at all - his longer legs put his feet past this spot and flat on the floor. Sigh. Guess I'll just have to wait for that 2005 Grand Cherokee to come out...
Aug 22, 2004 (7:26 pm)
Good deal, man! Get that $ and put it on a Wrangler!
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Aug 23, 2004 (10:59 am)
Mtngal beat me again!
My little TJ SE went through everything. We ended up going on A, B, C, and E trails (A being hardest). Did not need to be helped at all (though I had to back up a couple of times and try again). There was a gully about as deep as BP Gulch, but not as hairy, and my little TJ articulated so well, and I had great lines, wow. They were a bit surprised I was the only 4cyl on A and B those days and that it was only a 4.
On my C trail run, a TJ Sport broke its rear driveshaft and a CJ lost its clutch going up the first REALLY steep hill (Tom, think Silo, but a quarter mile long). My TJ handled it very well. It used to be green... now it's a shade of brown all over - inside and out!
The events were cool and they had all their concept vehicles there (I have pictures I'll be loading elsewhere). It was great to get to meet mtngal in person! (HI!) Camp Jeep is really designed for those who have not really experienced everything their Jeeps can do. You experienced wheelers may get bored, but there were a lot of technical roundtables for all models and vendors like Skyjacker, Eaton, Bestop, New Venture Gear, and Bosch to answer techie questions.
Y'all need to go!
#13901 of 23397 This is Buttpucker Gulch
Aug 23, 2004 (11:42 am)
For those who don't know what Paul was referring to when he said BP Gulch in his post.
This is a picture of Thelma Jane taken there Saturday.
And I took this pic of Ross Allen and me on the way home from Turkey Bay Saturday. He was trying to give "Grandpa" a doggy kiss.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#13902 of 23397 I found out about my rims
Aug 23, 2004 (11:51 am)
I've mentioned here (long time ago) that I have 2 rims that have a different offset. We were in an accident about 6 months after buying the Wrangler and the company where I had it repaired spent 6 weeks trying to find my rims. When I was talking to one of the people in the inspection tent I asked about what would happen if I didn't rotate my tires - I don't want to use a washer when the rims are only on the front part of the time. It turns out I have Grizzly rims and the reason they were so hard to find (and why the only pair they could find had the wrong offset) was due to Goodyear's strike that year. They didn't make many before going out on strike.
At the time I bought mine, I just wanted a Jeep and didn't know anything about the various rims and options. I bought the only one on the lot with a hard top, which just happened to be pretty loaded. It was fun finding out more about it, even if it is 6 years later!
#13903 of 23397 Oh yeah, I forgot...
Aug 23, 2004 (12:11 pm)
Paul, I am very proud of you, Dude! It sounds like you did a real good job gettin' around those trails at Camp Jeep.
Now bring that Jeep over to Turkey Bay and let's get jiggy widdit!
From your posts, it sure sounds like you and Mtngal had a really good time at Camp Jeep. That's great!
Both of you, please post some more details about the experience.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#13904 of 23397 Okay, more details
Aug 24, 2004 (7:32 am)
I'll start off by saying what I drove:
1997 TJ SE
Mods I have (Other than appearance)
CB, towhooks, JKS disconnects, 30" BFG AT's with Canyons.
I drove 4 trails
E - first - too basic and they teased me with watching Group B run gullies.
B - I wanted to run the gullies, but I had to go up a STEEEEEEP hill that was getting rutted and had a VERY fine dirt (almost ash-like) to get through. The Sport in front of me got stuck and had to be strapped. The CJ in front of her lost her clutch, so I was REALLY nervous about it. Got stuck because they said start in 2nd gear. My 2.5l died halfway up. I restarted and finished the hill in 1st with no problems. I was so pumped! An uphill gully (with serious angle issues) finished the run, and that is where a TJ with 35s broke its rear drive shaft. I helped move it off the trail and stuffed rags in the t-case to keep dirt out. I got stuck in the same spot cuz of the holes he made before snapping. I took a slightly different line and bumped up. Everybody cheered my little 4 banger!
C - Easier beginning than B, but there were some steep Z turns with the same ashy dirt. A KJ rolled over on its side cuz its driver was stupid, but no damage. A Jeep VP was out riding that morning too.
A - WAY Fun! The hill was longer than the first on B, but just as steep. the last 100 yards were about 5 degrees steeper. I made it up w/o stopping or getting stuck. Then we had some steep downhills and into some serious gullies. We bounced through them and I could hear the guides telling me I had the perfect line each time. Not bad for my first solo offroading. They asked how long I've been wheeling.. my response - 2 days. They were a bit surprised that a novice wheeler in an essentially stock TJ was doing the expert courses. There were not a lot of rocks, so I didn't have to worry about damage - just dirt. That dirt was clogging air filters left and right. A snorkel would be good there.
As for the camp itself, there was a lot of music, lots of food, and fun things to do. I went to a tech roundtable with the Wrangler folks and they asked all kinds of questions about exterior, interior, powertrain, engine, features, etc. They got a LOT of feedback, both good and bad.
The Jeep 101 was fun - I got to ride along in a KJ, then got to drive the 2005 Grand. Nice, but I don't care for the styling. It handles great on and off road (they had a special 2005 GC test drive and I flogged it, stomping the gas, kicking in the ABS, then doing a slalom at 40 mph and trying evasive techniques). It never waivered. But the styling... too Cadillacish.
What else ya wanna know? I'll have pics posted, hopefully later today.