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#13110 of 23397 Re: Thank you all SO much! [toni #13092]
by Karen@Edmunds HOST
May 07, 2004 (12:16 pm)
Steve_host asked me to stop by. My 17-year-old son has been driving a 1995 Jeep Wrangler for a year now. Well, he can drive when the grades are good. The previous owner had big tires on it, but they were going bald. We put normal sized tires a couple of weeks after the purchase. As a mom, I would put the kabosh on BIG tires. I could not believe how "tippy" the Jeep drove with them. Once we got the regular tires, it felt fine. Another reason we bought this Jeep was because it was a manual shift. Our son was not too thrilled at first, but I think having to concentrate on shifting kept him from hot-rodding. Too much to think about! He complained, but we told him if he learns how to shift he can drive just about anything. Now, he has buddies asking if he will teach them the art of a stick shift. LOL!
He camps/hikes quite a bit, so he does some offroading, but nothing too scary...at least I don't think so. Safety-wise, I agree with tsjay. It depends a lot of the individual. There are some that will always push the envelope and even if you encased them in bubble-wrap, they will have accidents.
#13111 of 23397 Wrangler Exhaust manifold
May 07, 2004 (6:55 pm)
I recently purchased a 99 Wrangler Sahara(52k miles) and remembered what it was like to fall in love again. For as much as I love my jeep I noticed an occasional knocking sound when accelerating. Unfortunatly this was diagnosed as a cracked exhaust manifold which as you all know is very expensive.
She still drives fine which leads me to ask the stupid question: What happens if I don't get this fixed? and can I get away with not fixing it?
Thanks for your help
May 07, 2004 (10:41 pm)
I'm 22, live in Minneapolis, and will be shopping for my first new car soon. For the past seven years, I have been driving a reliable but horribly bland chevy corsica. That just keeled a few weeks ago, so I'm starting to get into the market for something new. I've always loved the Jeep Wrangler, but I'm no expert when it comes to actual function on what I should get, just how I want it to look, so I could use opinions. I doubt I'll ever take it off roading (nowhere really to do that in this flat part of the country) but I like the idea of bigger tires for the asthetics. I don't need the back seat because I'm young/single/without kids, so I'd like to use that as storage. I like the body color flares and the side steps. And the idea of the more powerful engine and a hardtop for the 8 months of the year it (can) snow here. So my main questions are: Which model trim would be best for me? What accessories should I buy from dealer and which should I buy aftermarket (and where should I go for those)? And finally for any of you living in MN or similar climates: is it just stupid of me to even consider a Jeep? Got so much more to ask, but this is a start. Thank you.
May 08, 2004 (3:15 am)
I'm counting on Mac24, our technical guru, to chime in here, but my response would be that the leak should be fixed.
I believe running with a cracked manifold can lead to burnt valves.
Since you are replacing the manifold, you might want to get a header instead of going back with a stock manifold. A header could give you a little better power and gas mileage.
Welome, weiner, and please stick around.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
May 08, 2004 (3:25 am)
You sound like a candidate for an X model, except they don't have the body color flares. (Think they might have editions of them that do, though. Does the Freedom edition have body colored flares? I'm not up to date on the various special editions.)
An X will get you the six cylinder engine without your having to pay the price for a Sport model. You cannot get a Dana 44 rear axle, but you said you will not be going offroad anyway. In your climate, anti-lock brakes would be more important than the Dana 44 rear axle anyway.
I'm a BIG TIME offroader, and I go almost every weekend, but I recognize that a Jeep can be a ton of fun, even on the pavement.
All I can say is that you are on the right track in thinking Jeep, if it's fun you want! My Thelma Jane was the MOST FUN vehicle I had ever owned, even before taking her offroad for the first time.
If I were you, I would read a LOT of posts in here. There's some very useful info in this Forum for folks considering a new Jeep.
That's a link to my little website about Turkey Bay, where I go wheelin'. There's stuff in there about Jeeps too, not just about Turkey Bay.
Good luck, and keep us posted as to how it's going in your quest for a Jeep. Glad you joined us here!
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#13115 of 23397 Re: gopher [tsjay #13114]
May 08, 2004 (4:34 am)
Yes, Tom the Freedom edition is a "X" model with body color flares. But comes in limited color choices red, blue, black IIRC
#13116 of 23397 weiner - Exh. Manifold TSB
May 08, 2004 (5:29 am)
Exhaust manifolds were a know problem and a TSB (#110798, see NHTSA site) exists. Even purchased used, if yours has failed in the area this TSB covers I would ask a dealer to contact their area rep. and ask if any consideration could be given toward repair.
#13117 of 23397 exhaust manifold
May 08, 2004 (6:39 am)
No kidding. When mine goes I intend to press HARD on this issue if they ever want to see me buy another Chrysler product. Everyone gets it at some point, somehow my '98 has avoided it so far. It was just at the dealer 2 months ago and they couldn't believe it hadn't cracked yet.
May 08, 2004 (7:13 am)
Well, I'm a Duck. Nice job you all did on us in the Sun Bowl. Read the old posts here, since this question comes up a lot, but I'll summarize:
Pros of a Wrangler: unique vehicle, great resale value, very fun especially with the top and doors off, styling is ultra conservative so you never look like you're driving an out-of-date car (similar to M-Benz in that respect), more aftermarket mods than almost any other car, you will never ever get stuck unless you try to, chicks dig them, fantastic 6-cylinder engine available.
Cons of a Wrangler: LOUD, ride is a bit bouncy but much better than in the past, not much storage space, sucks gas, so-so on reliability.
As for the hardtop--the new soft tops are worlds better than the old ones and rumored to be about as quiet as a hard top. If I were buying a Jeep now, I'd only get a soft top. But Minnesota might be pushing it. I'd consider getting both tops. It would certainly be cheaper than going aftermarket. As far as factory vs aftermarket options, for city driving the factory ones are great. There are tons of aftermarket ones available all over the place. Check out www.quadratec.com or www.4wd.com . My aftermarket mods are a Rock Gear soft top (I have the factory hard top), Smittybuilt sidesteps/nerfbars, a tow hitch (the Mopar ones are WAY too lightweight for pulling small boats around), yanked out the factory speakers and put in Polks, JVC stereo/CD player, bigger tires (30" BFG A/Ts), and some other ones I can't remember. This is lightweight compared to some of the folks on this board like twylie, tsjay and so on.
I remember there's a page worth checking out that a Minnesota guy put up called the TJ FAQ at http://www.visi.com/~tam/tjfaq.html
#13119 of 23397 Re: Thank you all SO much! [toni #13092]
May 08, 2004 (8:18 am)
I agree with a lot of what people have said about kids driving. However, I was one of those kids that were taught to drive off road before I got driver’s license. I used to take my Uncles K5 Blazer out in the Indio / Palm Springs area. I even got it stuck in the middle of nowhere a couple of times, and everything came out fine.
You know your son better then we do. You will know if he is mature enough to handle a Wrangler or not. I have a 13-year-old daughter who is already talking about getting a car. It makes me nerves, but I know when the time comes for her to start driving I would not have a problem with her driving my Wrangler. For me it’s the hot rods the kids build that I would not want my daughter driving. Speed is a real killer; and the Japanese vehicles are vary popular cars for street racers. There are a lot of things you can buy to make Japanese cars go fast.
On the other hand Wranglers are not built for speed, and with a few mods they can take quite a betting. A friend of ours (my wife’s and mine) has a CJ-7. His son was driving it on the freeway (not speeding) when he fell asleep. He drove into the concrete divider, flipped over and slid about a 100’ on the its side. His son walked away uninjured. They righted the jeep, situated the battery in its correct position, and drove it home; never having to take it in for repair. You can take it from someone who has owned (and loves) Honda cars…if this accident would have happed in an Accord or Civic at a minimum the car would not have been drivable.
As someone who has had to deal with kids who drive irresponsibility (not mine--yet) I suggest you send your son to a driving school similar to where Eric (I think) took his daughter. They need to learn how to drive defensively and responsibly, and not by trial and error. And tell him when he gets pulled over by the police to say yes sir and no sir, and never lie. Cops usually know the answer to their questions they are asking.