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Jeep Wrangler, SUV
Apr 13, 2004 (11:14 am)
Andrew's point that salesmen aren't that bad is really correct. Since I'm usually looking at 4WD or AWD vehicles, it can get funny though. I somehow end up with brand new salesmen who don't have a clue about the AWD system and can't answer even the easiest questions. Once I even had the experience of having a Jeep salesman talk only to my husband even though I was the one asking the technical questions, and addressing "the little lady" type of comments to me. At least this only happened once (at a Jeep dealer, no less), when we were buying my Noble Black Steed back in 1998.
At the moment my choices are the Wrangler Unlimited, one of the Subarus, or the Element. One thing - I was disappointed about the Unlimited only coming with an auto tranny. I still think I'd be better off driving a manual. I may go back and look at a couple of the other mini-SUVs again, just because I haven't looked at them in a couple of years. While I don't strictly need AWD/4x4 as long as I have the Wrangler, it would be nice to have the choice in the winter.
#12858 of 23397 A/C / mtngal
Apr 13, 2004 (1:00 pm)
Refrigerant isn't consumed during operation, so if it was low or empty, it leaked out somewhere.
Good that you've got it recharged and working............ bad that you picked a less than professional a/c tech.
#12859 of 23397 Unlimited with auto [mtngal #12857]
Apr 13, 2004 (2:43 pm)
You should not discard the idea of the Unlimited just because it has the automatic. Growing up, living with my Uncle, we only had 4X4’s with autos. In fact my uncle held the same view of off roading with the manual that many on this board have about the auto. Being someone that has driven 4X4’s with autos and manuals, I am leaning toward the auto as being the better way to go (the 4 speed). The auto I have in Ellie’mae has impressed me so far. This summer I plan to taker out and really test the tranny.
I like the control I have (I know some of you hard core manual users are spitting right now) without having to worry about stalling the engine, or burning out the clutch. I use Ellie’mae to pull a trailer and she does it without even a groan. And the fuel economy does not seem to be any worse than a manual, from what I have seen on this board, I getting just under 19 mpg (18.7 usually).
Apr 14, 2004 (4:29 am)
Can anyone explain to me the main differences between the X and the Sport models? I want to be able to do some off roading so I want to make sure I get the best option. Thanks.
Apr 14, 2004 (6:29 am)
I need to drop my fuel tank to fix a small leak on a fitting on top of the tank. Unfortunately I discovered the leak right after I had filled the tank.
Yesterday I tried to slip a small 1/2" tubing into the tank to siphon the gas but was unable to get it all the way down in the tank. Does the factory put something in there to keep people from siphoning the fuel out?
I want to reduce the weight as much as I can before dropping the tank. My TJ is a 2002 model.
Any help is appreciated.
Apr 14, 2004 (7:10 am)
The X and Sport both have the 4.0L engine.
The sport has the stronger Dana 44 axle while the X has the Dana 35 axle.
The 44 is generally stronger and can handle more forces on it. This is not to say that the 35 is a weak axle. The 44 just handles more forces. I have seen an X doing some pretty good stuff, but if you have axle hop, say over larger rocks (like river rocks), you could really spin the tires, and when they hit the ground, snap a 35.
Other than that, there really isn't a whole lot different. Maybe a few of the packages are a bit different, but the main technological diff is the diff.
#12863 of 23397 dropping the tank
Apr 14, 2004 (7:11 am)
I'm thinking of dropping the tank to replace the sending unit (and hopefully fix my wild fuel gauge problem).
How hard is it to drop anyway?
I have seen siphoning kits that do about a gallon and a half per minute (check out 4wd.com's parts). I don't know of anything that would be in the way.
#12864 of 23397 Re: [mtngal #12857]
Apr 14, 2004 (7:14 am)
Mtngal, one would think that the Unlimited with a manual is likely to come out sometime in the near future - it seems a popular option which is disappearing from many other makes. Before getting Buffy I remember looking at Xterras, the salesguy said that Nissan is working towards auto only trannies in the near future... I suppose it comes down to preference, but customers should have a choice.
Subies are very nice, just depends on what you plan on using them for. Definitely not as off-road capable as a Jeep, but then you know that. Have you looked at an Xterra? Capable and have a great consumer report rating. Elements are kinda funky looking (imho), but the configurable interior is a nice feature.
Not all salesmen are knowledgeable, and some are downright misleading. None should be condescending though... The guy I bought Buffy from was pretty good, but with the information gleaned from the net I was able to stump him with some questions. Of course, he has to know something about pretty well any Jeep and Chrysler product, so I couldn't expect him to know every little detail.
Apr 14, 2004 (7:26 am)
mac - thanks for the info on the A/C - I'll keep an eye on it and next time go to someone who specializes in A/C stuff (I didn't this time). All my air goes to the defroster so I know I have other issues with my system - it's just that it hasn't been that big of an annoyance. We usually have it on defrost anyway.
Glen - I agree with you that an auto is better in some off-road situations, especially on sand. It is much easier to spin the tires with a manual. However, this vehicle is for commuting and I'll use the 4x4 system for getting through the snow in the winter. So I need a tranny that won't blink at climbing the Grapevine every day - I went through 2 auto trannys in an old Nissan Hardbody pickup right after I moved up on the hill. We recently rented an Xterra for a couple of days (including a trip to Vegas) and I was disappointed in how it handled the Grapevine - it seemed to hunt more than I thought would be healthy for a tranny (it got left in Vegas because the brakes didn't always release the gear shift and we had visions of not being able to get it out of park when we stopped in Baker, CA). I wasn't any more impressed with the Focus we actually drove home in and I don't want to talk about the Neon that never made it out of Vegas...
Apr 14, 2004 (7:31 am)
The X gets you the 4.0 L engine without your going up to the Sport trim level. The X is between the entry level SE and the Sport. People who want the six cylinder engine but don't want to pay the price for a Sport would be candidates for the X.
The only drawback is that you cannot get the Dana 44 rear end in the X model, as Paul said above.
If you want to do moderate to severe off roading, a Dana 44 should be a "must have" option.
Paul implied that you get a Dana 44 automatically, if you get a Sport. This is not true: you CAN get a Dana 44 as an option, but the Dana 35 is still the standard rear end in a Sport.
There used to be a package called AAS that got you the real nice wheels (Ravines now, but Canyons when I got Thelma Jane), gas shocks, 30" tires, and a Dana 44 rear axle for $850.00. That's a steal for all you get!!! Plus, those factory Goodyear Wrangler GSA 30" tires bring a real nice trade-in at some tire stores, if you want to go to 31 x 10.50 Muds or All Terrains. (A stock TJ will handle 31 x 10.50 tires).
Have you hugged your Jeep today?