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#10988 of 23393 Looking for opinions
Nov 23, 2003 (2:59 pm)
As I have posted before I recently bought a 2003 Wrangler x with a five speed, and I also have put 31 inch tires and a 2" lift on my jeep. The down side is that my jeep came with the dreaded 307 rear end( I should have looked for a 3.73, but oh well). The acceleration around town is ok but the highway is just terrible. I am thinking about putting in 4.10 gears, or should I go with 3.73 or maybe 4.56s? I do not plan to go to a larger tire considering I do use this as my main vehicle and spend time on the highway. Any feed back would be appreciated.-scott
#10989 of 23393 Gearing / ponm
Nov 23, 2003 (3:19 pm)
My advice, for what it's worth, would be to take a test drive in a five speed with 3.73s and 30" tires. The 1" difference in tire size won't matter much and you'll get a 'seat of the pants' feel for the difference in performance compared to yours.
Personally, I'd go for the 3.73s, but the 4.10s would be quite usable. They'd just have the engine rpm a little high when you're cruising at highway speeds, and you'd find yourself changing gear a lot more around town. Whatever you choose, don't forget to change the speedo gear to match!
Nov 23, 2003 (3:59 pm)
Hey, Scott, let me cast my vote for the 4.10 gearing. The Jeeps with the 30" tire package and five speed trannies come from the factory with the 3.73 gearing, or at least that's the way my Thelma Jane was set up.
I moved up to 31" tires and kept the 3.73 gearing. I noticed some loss in acceleration and in the ability to hold speed going up hills. No way it is bad enough that I would go to the expense of regearing from the current 3.73 to 4.10, as long as I stay with 31" tires. But, if you are going to regear anyway, then why not go with 4.10s? They would theoretically put you where you would have been with factory 30" tires and 3.73 gearing.
I don't think the 4.10s would be too much gear for 31" tires, since they would only put you to the equivalent RPM for a given speed and transmission gear that a person would have with the 30" tires with 3.73 factory gearing.
The 4.10s would be much better later on, in case you change your mind and go to tires larger than 31's.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Nov 23, 2003 (4:30 pm)
You're right about the approach angle. It doesn't appear that anything is changing up front. And, I am using my '95 as a reference point since I don't have a TJ. I went out and measured the distance from the vertical plane of the rear of the rear tire to the vertical plane of the furthest "hardpart", end of the frame. This distance was only 7.5" with the bumperette adding only 6". Unless the picture angle is what's throwing me off or DC has enclosed the "bumperette" to look like part of the frame, I'd say the distance is at least 3" to 4" longer.
Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so. This basic bodystyle has been around for more than 50 years and I'd hate to see it changed at the expense of its off-roading ability just because DC is chasing the more adventuresome soccer moms.
Nov 23, 2003 (5:41 pm)
Take it easy, Brother. This is going to be the modern version of the Scrambler, and it has been long awaited by many Jeepers. Believe, me, those puppies are going to be very trail-worthy. Also, they are not REPLACING the current Wrangler: they will just be an optional model.
There are Jeepers who are willing to give up just a little in order to gain some extra cargo room. I don't think they will have to give up much, though. The Scrambler could sure get around.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Nov 23, 2003 (9:07 pm)
I don't see it as a 'mommy-mobile', more of different flavor, that's all. Land Rovers don't lose their character for having two versions of the Defender, the SWB 90 and the LWB 110.
Amongst other things, a longer wheelbase has advantages in terms of stability, load carrying (volume and weight), and of course towing capability and capacity.
#10994 of 23393 Just gotta say this...
Nov 24, 2003 (5:36 am)
Hope I don't embarrass my new wheelin' bud, but I have to tell you guys how "Good Old Jim" has come along. He has taken to wheelin' like a duck takes to water. He is going just about anywhere you could expect a stock Jeep to go down there at Turkey Bay, and he loves this stuff!
Edmunds, thanks for bringing me and Jimbo together. (He saw me in Members Spotlight and contacted me: that's how we met. He didn't even have a Jeep then, but he got an idea about how much fun wheelin' and Jeepin' in general are, so he bought one.) He's makin' me a great wheelin' buddy.
Oh yeah, his brother in law didn't go with us Saturday, but his dad did. His dad wasn't real impressed with wheelin'... he says he will stick to golf.
Check out his pics as well as mine in the itsajeep photo gallery. It turns out that Jim is really good with a camera too.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
Nov 24, 2003 (7:08 am)
What some of you fail to remember is that not all of us live in parts of the country where there is easy access to off-roading trails and rarely get to do so. Also, for many of us our Jeep is our only vehicle and angles are the last thing we worry about. The unlimited would make it just that much easier to live with an impractical (but 100% fun) vehicle like the jeep. The added cargo room would make it just that much better for those of us who are not hard-core off-roaders. I liken my jeep to a swiss army knife.....it has a drop top for fun in summer, hard top for winter and 4wd that is useful in both for driving on the beach, in the snow etc.
#10996 of 23393 Unlimited / redkey1
Nov 24, 2003 (12:30 pm)
I suspect that you are probably the main target group for the new Unlimited. I've read that DC has determined they lose a lot of Wrangler sales due to the fact that limited interior capacity denies its purchase to people who require just one vehicle to fulfill all their needs.
The only thing I find a little difficult to understand is the Rubicon version of the Unlimited (or the Unlimited version of the Rubicon?), reported by Bored earlier. Seems a rather strange amalgamation of capabilities!
Nov 24, 2003 (1:07 pm)
I wouldn't worry about the soccer moms taking over the Wrangler with the intro of the unlimited. It still only seats four and it would still be a PITA getting in and out of the back seat with still only two doors. The unlimited would get my interest since most my dirt driving is nothing more than forest roads with an occassional foray into the desert when I visit the old country. Problem is, my '91 just keeps on running reliably so there's no reason to part with it.
I wonder if they've ever thought of flipping the rear seat so it faces backwards. How much easier it would be to get in and out of for spry young kids through the hatchback.
Those big rear side windows though are starting to bring nightmares of the AMC Gremlin years.