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#10732 of 23397 To Buy or Not to Buy
Oct 28, 2003 (5:17 pm)
i joined this discussion group in hopes of getting some information about jeep wranglers because i'm considering buying a 1999 or 2000 wrangler se.
since i was a kid i've wanted a jeep. since i'm now looking for another car i thought i'd start figuring out if a jeep would be a good choice.
i drove a brand new wrangler once on a bright sunny day. it was black with tan leather interior and i loved it.
my main concern with the wrangler is the tipping over factor. do they roll over a lot? whenever i expressed interest in purchasing one, i was warned against it by well meaning friends due to this safety issue. i've read the editor's review on edmunds that states that driving the wrangler on the freeway in high winds at high speeds is scary. however, i think i'll just stay off the freeway on such days.
i'm in search of a vehicle that is fun to drive and lets me feel the road. i don't really enjoy driving cars that feel like i'm rolling on clouds. i currently drive a honda crx, 5 spd, with 140,000 miles. seems very different from a jeep but maybe not so different in terms of fun factor.
i don't do any off road driving so maybe a jeep wrangler isn't the best choice? i live in ohio and the past few winters have been snowy, that's a good jeep thing.
i've yet to test drive one but i thought jeep lovers might have some interesting input.
#10733 of 23397 Thanks for the advice
Oct 28, 2003 (5:49 pm)
Thanks to all of you who responded so promptly with your advice and heartfelt opinions to my first post. The information and opinions will be of great use to me in narrowing down my choice. I work 3rd. shift and sleep when I get home in the early morning hours so I'm gonna try to get up early tomorrow and hit at least one of the local dealerships. I plan to test drive both the Rubicon and the Sport. Thanks again!
Oct 28, 2003 (7:36 pm)
Is this going to be your daily driver or a second car? That might make a difference. I wouldn't mind having my Noble Black Steed (a '98 Sport) as my daily driver, my husband prefers to have it as a fun vehicle and a winter daily driver.
There are some definite disadvantages to the Wrangler, but if driven sensibly within its capabilities it has no more risk of roll over than any other SUV and it actually has a fairly low rate. It is terrible in the wind (I know - my commute goes through an area that is usually windy and I'm often white knuckled), and extremely thirsty at higher speeds. I can get a pretty consistent 20 mpg (almost all highway) if I keep my speed around 65. If I slow down some in the wind it isn't so bad - sometimes I go 50-60 mph when there are wind warnings. If you are going to be doing much highway driving I would strongly advise you to buy a Sport or the newer X. The SE only has a 4 cylinder engine and it is much noisier at higher speeds. The Sport and X both have the 4.0L inline 6 cylinder and is much quieter.
All those things that make the Wrangler excellent off-road works against it on the road. The TJ (97 on) are pretty comfortable compared to older models as far as ride. They have a short wheelbase and have a choppy ride. There is one spot on the I-405 freeway where the expansion joints are at an interval that really gets the Wrangler rocking.
There isn't much insulation, so it is noisy. The heater and air conditioner work well, so the lack of insulation only makes a difference with the sound.
The seats are very comfortable, it can be parked just about anywhere, if you have a soft top you have a convertable and you can get through all kinds of terrain and weather. I really love mine, even with all of its disadvantages.
The best thing to do is test drive one and see what you think. If you are willing to put up with the disadvantages, it is a truly FUN vehicle (and it doesn't matter if you never take it off-road).
Oh, one last thing. If you have Wrangler fever there isn't any cure except to buy one. I got it in my early 20's and it didn't go away. I finally gave into it when I was 45, and now I'll get another one when my Noble Black Steed finally falls apart. It is 5 years old and has 112,000 on the odometer and is still going strong, and I want to replace my 2000 Tacoma with something else first.
Oct 28, 2003 (9:21 pm)
Because of it's short wheelbase and high center of gravity, I'm leery of the "safety" of my Wrangler in an emergency situation. By this, I mean the brakes jammed on hard while turning the wheel. It's just not a situation I want to get into. So I drive it like the vehicle it is and in twelve years I've managed to stay upright and not run into anything.
I drove a SE for about five years and it does best sporting around town. The 4.0 engine that you can't get in the SE, is better for the open road. You'll definitely feel the road and you'll surely have fun too.
Oct 29, 2003 (4:13 pm)
I am a new owner of a 01 Wrangler Sport. I have retired my Ram 1500 to just hauling, plowing and work truck type use and use my Wrangler as a daily driver.
I drive about 100 miles daily to work. It's all State of Maine highway. No problems at all with high speed driving or poor road manners. It was a little interesting in my first wind storm, but not all that much different from a full size pickup.
Every off-road benefit is a trade off on the road. However, everything is relative. People warned me of excessive road noise and the cold in the winter. I think my wrangler with the hard top on is just as quiet and warm as my Ram w/ All Terrain tires. Just crank the radio louder, hold on to the wheel w/ both hands, maybe drop into 4th and have fun!
#10737 of 23397 Thanks for the info re: to buy or not to buy
Oct 29, 2003 (5:11 pm)
hi, mtngal, geepers and bill,
thanks for your input about the wrangler.
after reading your posts, i'm looking forward to test driving some jeeps this weekend. i feel less afraid of rolling over and since i take the bus to work most days, the jeep may not be a daily adventure, although i might want it to be.
although i'm used to a car that sits low to the ground, i'm sure that i will get used to sitting up so much higher. and my small car gets buffeted (sp) by the wind as well as semi trucks when i'm on the highway, although i'm sure it feels differently in a vehicle that sits up higher. i just have to be sensible and realize the limitations of a jeep, just like the limitations of a honda crx.
now that i'm a bus rider, i don't get on the highway much anymore, but after the info you have provided, i think i'll consider finding a used jeep wrangler sport instead of an se. i might eventually need to drive the jeep more.
it's supposed to be in the 70s here on saturday (columbus, ohio) so it should be a great day for a test drive.
thanks again for taking the time to help me out!
Oct 29, 2003 (7:56 pm)
Sure sounds like you are a good candidate for a Wrangler owner, and will do just fine. I wish I could ride the bus to work, but there are no buses from my area, and besides, the transit mechanics are on strike.
It doesn't take long at all to get used to sitting up high, and now I'm uncomfortable when I drive anything lower than my 2WD Tacoma. A Wrangler can turn on a dime and give you some change, so be aware that the steering is different than most other vehicles. Take your time when you are doing your test drive (if you can) and get used to a very different vehicle. That steering is great - I now have a hard time with parking the Taco since the Wrangler is so easy to park.
And further good news - there is a slight possibility of sprinkles/light rain on Friday or Saturday! And since it will be cold, they are talking about a snow level of 5,000 feet! All you Easterners or NorWesterners, please send us some of your rain.
Paul - I wish I had a better clearance around my home. In the spring I'll be able to limb a tree that has overgrown my back deck. While the rest meets Kern Co. laws, it really isn't enough. Hope you are upwind of all of this mess.
Oct 30, 2003 (9:05 am)
So far we are lucky, the winds are keeping it from going too far north. I am looking forward to the rain too, but I'll be out of town this weekend (in St. Louis) to visit some family.
Oct 30, 2003 (8:26 pm)
Sorry to hear you'll be out of town. They are talking about a snow level of 5000 feet, which gives me a great excuse to drive the Wrangler tomorrow to work! I noticed as we drove into Frazier Park this evening that there is a "closed" sign, so I guess they have completely closed the Los Padres Forest, not just that part around the Piru fire. No hiking this weekend, but at least I can drive the Wrangler to work tomorrow (and I'll know how fast I'm going, too)! Come on winter!
#10741 of 23397 Reasonable mileage for used jeep
Oct 30, 2003 (8:41 pm)
mtngal, thanks for the test drive suggestions. i'm really looking forward to saturday! i'm planning on driving an se and a sport.
i read through several messages on this board but i can't locate one that addressed a mileage issue with a used jeep. someone asked if a price was reasonable for a jeep with 92K miles.
i know that cars can go for a while and mine has 140K now, but it's beginning to nickel and dime me and it now burns oil when it didn't before. so when do jeeps, in general, begin to age to the point of being more trouble than they are worth? or do they ever?
is it worth the money for me to buy a 98 se with 70-80K for around $10,000? i found a red sport with 52K for $10,000 too. car prices are a mystery unto themselves. maybe i just can't believe my good luck with these lower prices.
i drove around tonight and visited jeep wranglers!! i really like the red and the black ones. found a very pretty yellow girl but she's way out of my price range! but maybe i'll go test drive her on saturday!