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You are in the Toyota 4Runner
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Toyota 4Runner, SUV
Dec 05, 2003 (6:30 am)
"Lady of Lux's expressd needs seemed to be met with a car. Heck, maybe even an SRX. I think people who don't know HOW to drive an SUV shouldn't be driving them."
So what exactly are you trying to imply in this post? That I don't know HOW to drive an SUV and so I shouldn't drive one? I mean really, in reading alot of the posts on this site, the ignorance of alot of you are really starting to come through. If I would've came on this board questioning my choice between 4Runner and RX330 and was a MALE, I'm sure all of you who like to question my driving abilities and ability to handle an SUV would not be adamant to steer me towards some ugly XC90, unreliable SRX or any sedan regardless of what I state my uses would be. But I came in here and simply because I am a woman most people are trying to steer me away from the 4runner to a minivan, or a wagon or sedan. Well I didn't come in here asking for advice on what type of vehicle I should choose because believe it or not this is not a rash decision like many of you like to suggest. I have been in the market searching for the right vehicle for myself since 2002, and my number one concern is reliability. I want a vehicle that has a proven track record of reliability, I don't spend money to watch it go down the drain or spend money on some depreciation hungry dodge, ford, mazda, mitsibushi or a vehicle/manufacturer with questionable reliability. And with those considerations in mind most of you would be hard pressed argue with me that the three companies that have proven themselves reliable, have excellent resale value and are very safe vehicles are Honda, Toyota, and Lexus. So with that being said, obviously a Volvo, Cadillac, Chrysler or whatever else will not fit my two most important criteria.
As for the fact that I am limiting myself to a SUV without considering a sedan. PLEASE! You all only know what I come here and tell you, what you don't know is that I've already looked at the Avalon, Camry, and Accord, and if one of you could get my dog's crate in the trunk or even backseat then PLEASE let me know. However, we do have a dog and are getting another one next month and we take frequent road trips where we have had to rent SUV's because we had no space for our luggage and our dog. So please get off your high horse and stop assuming you know my life and exactly what my needs are. And frankly who gives a crap if I didn't even have a dog, had no husband, never went anywhere but work, grocery store, mall and home and still wanted an SUV, so what?? So let's stop assuming and implying that we all know what is best for me because I do have a father and none of you are him.
As for the rest of you that have given me your opinions and suggestions, I really appreciate it, I take into account everything you all say and I am still weighing my options, I will let you all know once I come to a final decision.
HAVE A BLESSED DAY!
#8814 of 11429 ladyofluxury
Dec 05, 2003 (6:59 am)
I do believe that most here are trying to help anyone who posts here. This is one of the better boards I have been on. I believe adp3 is looking for a SUV, too. I'm not sure he has one yet.
Those of us who have 4runners are very happy with them.
#8815 of 11429 Silverjetta - tire pressure monitoring (TPM)
Dec 05, 2003 (7:24 am)
The system on the Toyota sounds very similar to the Nissan Pathfinder unit. Te transmitters could be manufactured by the same company. I would expect as TPM becomes more common, the valve prices will reduce. The $250 Canadian price would equate to a $US of the $150-200 range.
#8816 of 11429 car v suv v.....
Dec 05, 2003 (7:26 am)
OK...I've watched this one for awhile, and many good points have been made.
I traded in an '00 Audi A4 wagon for an '03 V8 sport 4Runner. The audi was a great car - it wasn't overpowered, but it had plenty of "kick" when driving 80 for passing, etc. I could sit low and had a great feel for the road. It had the great audi quattro system (AWD). This was probably the best car I have ever owned. Unfortunately, it was a bit small for my growing family, the ground clearance was minimal, and, the killing blow, it couldn't tow. SO - off I go vehicle shopping.
The 4Runner is also a great vehicle, and handles very well. Did I say for a truck? No, but....
I'm only talking driving impressions here...I don't race, and I haven't had it on a track. However....you sit taller, which gives a wider view, but I for one am concious of the higher center of gravity. Braking distance is noticably longer. It has a larger turning radius, and is not nearly as "nimble" or "agile" as the audi. I *think* the X-REAS is great, but I didn't compare it with a non X-R 4R. I have driven LOTS of explorers, however, and there is no comparison. The rocking and rolling on twisty mountain dirt roads can make you sea-sick in an explorer. Am I happy with it? You bet! Do I love this truck? ummm....no. It is a competent, safe vehicle, and I don't think there is a better one that can do what it can do. It is very comfortable, can hold a ton of gear, and tow 5000 lbs. effortlessly. Dirt roads, mud, snow, are no barrier. My wife, on the other hand, loves this truck! So...go figure.
I choose the 4runner over any other comparably priced similar vehicles due to: X-REAS, the smoooth power and transmission of the V8, the reputation for reliability and resale, the comfort, the quiet interior, and the fairly roomy back seat. I have the cladding, btw, and am very happy with it. It has already saved the painted steel from numerous scratches, etc. from bushes and branches, not to mention parking lot and garage dings.
As one of the very wise men on these boards says repeatedly
"Drive what you like"
#8817 of 11429 Dec. money factor
Dec 05, 2003 (7:37 am)
Does any know the money factor for the 4runner. I test drove one lastnight and really liked it. The stiker was $32848
#8818 of 11429 RE: adp3 by ladyofluxury
Dec 05, 2003 (7:53 am)
Well for a midsized SUV with great reliability, here are some good choices that will fit your bill
Toyota 4Runner (of course)
Lexus RX 330 (although you do lose a fair bit of luggage space with the severely sloped rear)
Toyota Highlander (car-like ride with mild off roadability and lots of space - trifecta? )
Nissan Pathfinder (a little smaller, good power, great reliability).
As for the Volvo XC90, although MT SUV (CAR) of the year last year, is a nice vehicle and safe, reliability is something of concern. The same goes for the Caddy stationwagon.
Hope that helps a bit.
Dec 05, 2003 (8:52 am)
I thought your post was mindful and justified. For every board full of people who are thoughtful/knowledgable/kind there are still the bad seeds. Most of us here I'm sure respect your decision to go the true SUV route and are truly trying to be helpful. These same people I'm sure would give you the same advice if your name was 'manofluxury' (although we might question your name choice)!
I don't think anyone needs to justify themselves to someone else, so I'm with you on that one. I tell people that the 4runner is the best thing I have ever driven (all the cars I've driven where older), but if they are not going offroad or towing a lot, there might be some better options. If it turns out that they pick the 4runner b/c they hate minivans or they think the Pilot/highlander/pacifica/etc are weak and boring, then so be it, they are getting a great truck, and they got what they wanted. And THAT is the most important thing.
I don't see why you have to go offroad to own a 4runner, I personally offroad myself, and I don't mind a bit. But I DO mind if you go and put all the accessories for offroading on your 4runner that I can't afford and then not go... that'll piss me off.
Dec 05, 2003 (9:50 am)
Lady: it's not really fair to call me sexist. In fact, I admitted that many of us don't know how to drive an SUV. Specifically, some of the stuff posters here have mentioned (locking differentials; inlocking; enabling DSC; disabling DSC; etc.) That is ALL I meant. I guess my7 point is, you are paying at least 5 grand for utility that you don't know how to use - so why do it?
Trying to fit a dog crate into a sedan IS a losing proposition, I agree.
How about a station wagon? How about a minivan? There are some great wagons out there. Try the Passat wagon. Try the Audi (talk about unreliable). Try the RX330 (we can all pretend it's an SUV, but we know it really isn't).
I'm not sure it's fair to say the SRX or the XC90 aren't "reliable." The SRX is so new we don't even have reliability data for it. Is the CTS unreliable? Has the XC90 been unreliable? We have at least one year to go on.
I can't imagine the 4Runner ride is better than the SRX, but I could be wrong. If someone is never gonna go offroad, why buy the 4Runner over an SRX or the RX330?
Lady: I am totally with you re Honda, Toyota, Lexus. When I started my search, I would only look at those cars, but I have learned that other cars are more reliable than I had assumed, so I broadened my search. No question that you can't go wrong with a 4Runner. Everyone I know that has one loves it. YOu did say you are driving an Accord, so I think it is fair for me to say that you are used to the ride of a sedan. The 4Runner will be a different ride. Not necessarily worse, but different. You may like it more.
And there's no question that you don't want to be putting dog crates into the back seat of your Camry, etc. You may be surprised at how nice some minivans are. My friend has a Sienna and it is a sweet vehicle. Plenty of places for me to put my juice box.
Dec 05, 2003 (1:25 pm)
i was wondering if you knew of any good off roading trails in lake tahoe in the snow covered winter? my friend and i are caravaning up to tahoe for the new years and want to do some snow 4x4ing. thanks in advance.
#8822 of 11429 adp3 - Lady of Luxury
Dec 05, 2003 (1:54 pm)
adp3, have you ever even driven a 4Runner? Go back to the "I don't like SUV's, why do you?" board...pluuueeze. You can post to your hearts content over there about why cars and minivans are better than SUV's. Driving an SUV is not rocket science and requires no special licenses...geez.
The lady has obviously done her research and her decision has come down to TWO vehicles, the RX330 and the 4Runner. To continue to push a car on her, especially on the 4Runner board, is ridiculous.
By the way, wouldn't it be a lovely day for a 4x4 4Runner in the Tidewater area? My last two cents...if you can afford the RX330, you owe it to yourself to test drive the a Limited V8 AWD with all the bells and whistles. I believe that will make your mind up. I'll bet you'll have to pay full sticker (around $44K?) for an RX330. While fully loaded 4Runner lists at about $44K, which you should be able to get it discounted close to $40K. Have a nice day.