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Toyota 4Runner, SUV
#8437 of 11429 Toyota Reliability
Nov 08, 2003 (5:11 pm)
Just moved a 2000 4Runner that I still love to second car status in our family. 2WD V6 with hood scoop & 16 inch wheels (back then it wasn't called a sport edition); 81,000 carefree miles. Also have a 1990 (pre-Tacoma) 4WD Toyo extra cab with 180,000+ miles. Still runs great although did have to just now replace the clutch amd did everything that needed to be done to make it like new and spent about $3,000 which was well worth it because we need 4WD occasionally but don't like the idea of maintenance and cost for a new 4WD. I think the 1990 cost us about 13,000 brand new in Nov 1989.
Replaced my 4Runner with an Ifiniti FX35 - I must say I love it. Totally different type of SUV from the 4Runner. If you've had a 4Runner and want something else but still an SUV but not off road, you should check them out!
I say to anyone wanting to buy a 4Runner that if you like the vehicle go for it, I've been extremely happy with both of my Toyota purchases and definitely feel I got my money's worth.
Just my 2 cents!
#8438 of 11429 Great SUV or not
Nov 08, 2003 (5:29 pm)
guti, if you want the best perspective currently available on the smell issue, I don't think you can do better than to read all of the thread "Sulfur from 2003 4Runner."
If general probability is your guide, I think you can look forward to a great experience with the 4Runner. Most folks have no significant problem with the smell, and for their vehicles it is produced only on heavy acceleration after a period of cruising or other lean-mixture operation. The smell doesn't make its way into the cabin to any significant degree unless people drive with the rear hatch window rolled down, and that's a poor idea for other reasons anyway.
The problem threads generally attract a more-than-proportionate number of folks with the problems, since that's their purpose. Unfortunately that makes these threads qustionable tools for estimating the probability of certain problems.
There are probably actually two smell problems, excessive production of the smell, and getting it inside the cabin to a significant degree.
Some vehicles produce the smell a lot, and not only under heavy acceleration. There has been speculation about excessively rich mixtures and problems with engine computers or oxygen sensors or similar stuff, but no real agreement has developed as to the source of the problem, and affected vehicles aren't recognizing the problem themselves, to the degree that they might trigger the "check engine" light or something like that.
Some vehicles that regularly produce the smell also manage to get it into the cabin to a considerable degree. The thread I mentioned above also discusses and speculates on this issue, and potential remedies.
It seems that most modern vehicles will produce this smell once in a while, and it can be a very putrid and disagreeable one. One can speculate that the V8 4Runners produce the smell more often than average, though it's hard to be sure. At any rate, some of us suspect that the exhaust tip placement on the 4Runner is unfortunate, and moving it a little could go a long way to correcting the practical impact of the smell problem. Also, driving around with the HVAC system on recirculate may be more likely to get the smell inside the cabin.
Well that's one opinion for your basket. I have a V6 and have been very happy with it, and would recommend it to others. I drove the V8s as well, but liked the V6 better for reasons that I described (way) earlier in this thread and won't repeat.
#8439 of 11429 corancher/ smell issues
Nov 08, 2003 (6:17 pm)
<<.....The problem threads generally attract a more-than-proportionate number of folks with the problems, since that's their purpose. Unfortunately that makes these threads qustionable tools for estimating the probability of certain problems....>>
Real good post!! You hit the nail on the head, IMO. Makes me wonder what percent of these trucks have the smell. To read the boards, one might think it's common to most trucks; maybe it's really 5-10 percent? Who knows? (Mine smells perfect, FWIW)
Nov 08, 2003 (6:48 pm)
Excellent flying projectile question.
You may want to ask in Toyota 4Runner Accessories too.
When I've net searched cages in the past, I got lots of hits from Australian manufacturers; guess they go prepared out in the bush down there and take a lot of loose stuff in the back of their rigs.
#8441 of 11429 Smell and CO in Passenger Compartment
Nov 08, 2003 (7:20 pm)
According to at least a few owners, the sulfur smell gets in the passenger compartment under any possible circumstance, including all windows rolled up. If I understand this issue clearly, they claim this is due to a design flaw wherein Toyota placed a vent near the exhaust pipe on some models. This vent reportedly allows exhaust gasses into the passenger compartment and the sulfur smell in the passenger compartment is indicative of this problem.
If I understand the legalities of this issue, what needs to be proven is: with the windows up and the ventilation on, that exhaust is getting in the truck, smell or no smell owing to a design fault.
If this is the case, my suggestion to owners is go to a hardware store and buy a battery-powered CO detector and put it in the cargo bay of the truck and maybe also one in the front of the vehicle's passenger compartment. If these frequently sound an alert, then it is possible that this would be sufficient evidence to support a lawsuit against Toyota (or other vehicle manufacturer for that matter) for inadequate engineering to prevent exhaust gasses from entering the passenger compartment.
If they never sound an alert, then this may give some assurance that there is not a dangerous level of CO in the passenger compartment, smell or no smell.
Comments please? I would like to hear some feedback on this. I posted something similar in the Sulfur smell topic.
Nov 08, 2003 (7:26 pm)
I think some of the unpowered CO detectors are cumulative. That may give you some different (better?) results. I've seen them for sale at RV sites.
Nov 08, 2003 (10:25 pm)
Just another comment, fwiw: The nose is extremely sensitive to sulfur and the characteristic odor will be detected even at trace levels.
#8445 of 11429 Limited model with hood scoop?
Nov 08, 2003 (10:40 pm)
I want many features only offered on the 4Runner Limited (dual climate control, leather power seats, etc.) but I also really want a hood scoop which is not listed as an available option on the Limited. Any ideas on how to get a hood scoop on a Limited?
#8446 of 11429 Great input!
Nov 08, 2003 (11:36 pm)
Your information was very informative and well thought-out.
Does anyone know if there is a price difference in purchasing a Platinum plan now or in 2.9 years/35,900 miles? I have read elsewhere that the time to consider the extended warranty is at the end of the existing warranty. This makes sense if there is not a big hit on the price.
Jagsdad, in what city is Southbay Toyota located?
Regarding the smell problems, I have had none of any kind. I have an '04 Sport with the v-8.
This truck is a fantastic ride: comfort, power and looks! However, I have two complaints: interior ergonomics and a lack of a power outlet in the armrest console between the front seats(except for the change holder, it is a large, empty box). Regarding the ergonomics, the arm rest on the door handle is way too low. When you rest your arm on the door, it is much lower than your right arm on the console. I have a habit of resting both arms on the interstate while I drive. The position feels odd. Other Japanese manufacturers have pointed-out that their engineering has thought about these details as evidenced by my '01 Mazda Protege (very comfortable). Just my $0.02.