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Toyota 4Runner, SUV
#8012 of 11429 Re: Exp. with '99 or '00 4Runners--sockpuppet1969
Oct 13, 2003 (2:30 pm)
Hey sockpuppet1969--good choice in considering a 3rd generation 4Runner. I own a 2000 SR5 Sport and couldn't ask for a better rig. I too shopped around before purchasing a Toyota--considered the Explorer, Pathfinder, etc. and chose based on reputation, reliability, and re-sale value. To this day, I have not had one problem with my 4Runner (knock on wood)--no mechanical, fit and finish, or any other issues to speak of. I previously owned a Ford and honestly, I was at the dealership at least 3 or 4 times a year for recalls or trim pieces falling off. When the normal warranty was set to expire on my 4Runner, I desperately searched for any problems to get fixed beforehand and couldn't find one--can't say the same for my Ford. I doubt I will ever get rid of this SUV, it's solid through and through. I hope I don't sound like a commercial but this is exactly how I feel.
As for things you should look out for, I know that certain '99 and '00 4Runners experienced a fuel gauge recall. (The gauge wasn't representing the actual amount of fuel present in the tank.) And other than that, can't really think of any other issues that I've read about. I've only had my SUV in the shop for routine maintenance (oil changes, etc.) You may want to consider a 2001 4Runner just because a few new features were introduced during that model year--namely the stability and traction control system as well as minor cosmetic changes.
I hope this helps...
#8013 of 11429 Used 3rd generation 4Runner
Oct 13, 2003 (3:19 pm)
It does help. I chose the '99 because of the upgrade to the 4WD system for that model year as well as a few other minor changes. I can stretch my budget to afford a 2000 but the 2001 models are starting to get too pricey for what I want to spend. My wife will be the primary driver of the new vehicle and she also likes the Honda CRV. I am desperately trying to avoid this. The used 4Runner costs less than a new CRV with more power, luxury and room for less money. I plan on using the truck for light towing and some off-roading on the Outer Banks in NC.
Oct 13, 2003 (3:23 pm)
Folks, I've read numerous reviews of the new 4Runner, and the consensus seems to be that unless you plan on frequent towing, V6 would suit you just fine. The advantage is not only in MPG. V6 costs about a thousand USD less (1500 less in Canada), is cheaper to service, and insurance should be slightly lower.
And do not forget the dreaded rotten egg (sulphur) smell. It tends to affect some V8, but not V6 engines
#8015 of 11429 RE: V6 versus V8
Oct 13, 2003 (3:35 pm)
Toyota has made it very difficult to choose between two very good engines. In the end, I chose the V8 for it's additional torque,improved towing abilities, choice of options then available on the lot, and negotiated price). I occasionally tow various 5-6 thousand pound loads, which either 4Runner should be able to handle, but the v8 handles it better over all road conditions. Overall, it would be hard to fault the decision of purchasing either model (or both )
After much though, I came to appreciate having the full time 4wd system. I admit it is probably more complicated, but I see it as an additional safety feature ensuring that the vehicle has traction at all times.
Insurance for my fully loaded v8 Limited is $1150/year in the NY suburbs, which I can live with. As for "cheaper to service," I purchased the extended warranty, so I don't have worries there. Routine maintenance is identical for both the V6 and V8.
As for the "Sulfur Quagmire," I only experience it when I open the rear cargo area window while driving. My solution is to keep it closed (recommended also in the owner's manual). Of course, this sulfur problem presents itself in different ways and circumstances. I do believe, however, that the sulfur problem is also somehow linked to the build date as I notice that no one has reported having it in an 04 4runner. We shall see.
Oct 13, 2003 (3:53 pm)
You can drive the V6 in full-time 4wd everywhere just like the V8.
The only difference is that on the V6, you can select 2wd if you want to save gas and wear on the front half of the drivetrain.
Oct 13, 2003 (4:54 pm)
I realize that it is possible for the v6 to be operated in 4wd in a full time manner. If this were to be performed, then any fuel savings realized in the v6 would be negated.
Honestly, I would have preferred Toyota to have offered both the V6 and V8 powered 4Runners with a choice of p/t or f/t 4wd, but I guess this isn't always practical in marketing and development. If one were offered, I would have purchased a v8 p/t 4Runner.
Operating in 2wd mode in any vehicle does cause less wear and tear to the drivetrain components, but many of these components are under warranty. This will be one area where repair costs should be greater in the v8, but probably not prohibitively so. Fuel savings remain insignificant.
In my case, towing was one important factor, as the V8 can tow an additional 2000lbs (5000lbs for the v6, 7000lbs for the v8).
For most people, a V6 is fine. I guess another factor that makes it hard to choose between the engines is that their displacements are so similar. To confound this situation even more, the v6 actually has a greater displacement. For anyone shopping around, make sure to test drive both and see which is best for your needs.
I just hope that Toyota will properly look into the sulfur problem and correct it quickly as no new car owner deserves to drive a vehicle that can be a potential health concern.
Oct 13, 2003 (4:59 pm)
one fairly common problem with the 3rd gens which has also afflicted a friend of mine more than once is warped brake rotors...if you are someone who tends to drive fast in the city and/or leadfoot the brakes on a regular basis, this may be an issue for you. It is a minor issue to address unless the rotors have already been turned a few times, in which case you may have to actually replace them to fix it, which is not that cheap. Make sure to get one with the tow package - this nets you bigger rotors in front.
Other than that, this may go down in Toyota history as one of the most solid reliable lines of vehicles they have built in the last 30 years. (Mine is a second gen 4WD with the smaller V-6, still going strong having crossed the 200K-mile threshold sometime back)
alfster: since the V-6 is a 4.0 and the V-8 is a 4.7, wouldn't it be the V-8 that has the larger displacement?
Oct 13, 2003 (5:00 pm)
This has already been a super-helpful discussion.
> For most people, a V6 is fine.
That would apply to me.
I poked around in the other discussion groups (thanks for gently pointing that out, corancher) and found them very informative, particularly the "4WD systems explained".
What are the dealer/quotes over web experiences people have had? I live in the SF bay area, Gilroy, Palo Alto, etc are close by.
Oct 13, 2003 (7:23 pm)
> What are the dealer/quotes over web experiences people have had? I live in the SF bay area, Gilroy, Palo Alto, etc are close by.
... never mind, I'll post that on the "prices paid" etc board.
#8021 of 11429 horsepower vs. torque
Oct 13, 2003 (7:23 pm)
Here's an exerpt from an online tutorial about horsepower vs. torque, which many of us will find helpful and interesting:
"...In the simplest terms, torque is the twisting force the engine applies to the crankshaft and then on to the transmission.
Power, by contrast, is measured as the torque times the rotational speed. In imperial measures, one horsepower is equal to 550 foot-pounds (of torque) per second. Two engines can produce the same power but have very different torque ratings for the following simple reason:
One horsepower can be produced by moving one pound 550 feet OR by moving 550 pounds one foot, provided that either function is achieved in one second.
The difference comes in the fact that the high-torque engine will be rotating slower than the low-torque engine at the same power output but it will be twisting the crankshaft a lot more vigorously.
In theory, different gear ratios - most commonly four or five in cars' gearboxes - should mask different torque characteristics by altering engine speed to suit but the reality is that engines which produce high torque figures at low revolutions respond much more readily in give and take driving.
[**]The practical advantages [of higher engine torque, all other things being equal] come in the form of reduced gear changing, lower engine revs and wear and, invariably, lower fuel consumption in all conditions other than constant speed driving... torque is therefore more important than horsepower, unless you spend your life racing around at high revs..."
This is the type of reasoning I used when I decided on the V8 4Runner, not to mention actual test driving. Compared with the V6, the muscular V8 offers tremendous acceleration, particularly at lower RPMs (which affords less shifting, etc.), and therefore the V8 stays out of the way of itself, unlike a V6, which may tend to pant, whine, wheeze, and produce wide jumps in RPMs as the tranny tries to downshift and upshift quickly enough in response to the commands of the throttle. For example, when driving over hilly or mountainous highways (e.g., the WVa. turnpike) at highway speeds, an engine with lower torque will often be much more likely to cause the tranny to repeatedly cycle in and out of overdrive when ascending a grade, and if this drives you nuts (and it should) then you'll have to remember to take the truck out of OD mode when going up-grade, and then re-engage OD whenever you're next going down-grade. Then, add in the weight of your mother-in-law, your immediate family, your dog, your fuel, your luggage, etc., and you get the idea... Of course, even when driving over relatively flat terrain, if you're hauling (and/or towing) much added weight, a V6 will likely behave in a similar fashion, because horsepower is a measurement that's quoted based on a higher RPM rating than torque is. All in all, the price and fuel consumption differences between the V6 and V8 may represent false economy in the long run. During highway driving and long highway trips, the V8 will typically run at much lower RPMs than the V6, and this translates into (among other things) less engine noise, whine, and vibration, not to mention less frequent and annoying shifting on
I drive a lot of freeway and 2ndary road miles per week, and in my experience this V8 is simply a magnificent engine. When I need to quickly pass, it does so effortlessly; and when I really need to pass and I'm already cruising at 75 MPH or above, it's as though I've kicked her into afterburner, because she can really SCOOT. And when I'm really "cruising", that muscular V8 is just walking along at much lower RPMs than a V6, with plenty of torque muscle to spare if a downshift is required, without wild swings in engine RPMs.
For those of you who have chosen the V6 and find that it meets all of your needs, I think that's a beautiful thing. But for those of you who are trying to decide between the V6 and the V8, I would urge you to carefully test drive and consider your current and projected needs, then choose accordingly. But whatever you do, don't be seduced merely by the higher horsepower rating of the V6, since we're not talking about a race car here, but rather we're talking about a 4500 lb. TRUCK that most of us are specifying with either 4WD or AWD.