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#7686 of 11429 4Runner vs. Explorer
Sep 18, 2003 (6:50 pm)
I traded my 2002, 4WD, V8, leather, XLT at 46,000 miles, for a new 4Runner Limited. The Explorer's sticker price was ~$33,000.00 in 11/01 when I bought it, for ~$30,500.00. Now, let me tell you that I took immaculate care of my Explorer-- I detailed it twice a year with Zaino products (a weekend project, believe me), and it had absolutely no dings or scratches. I scrupulously maintained it, and the interior was also immaculate. Well, after only 22 months of ownership, it's value had depreciated by more than 50%, despite it's extended (transferable) warranty, aftermarket sound system, PIAA fog lamps, Husky floor liners, etc.
In brief, my Explorer's transmission began acting up at the beginning of this summer, and prior to that it's transfer case and swaybar bushings had numerous problems that had to be repeatedly fixed. With regard to its tranny problems, it spent most of this summer shopped at a Ford "Blue Oval" dealer who soon proved to be unscrupulous, dishonest, sneaky, and inept. (Meanwhile, I was making large monthly payments on it, even though I couldn't drive it all summer). They NEVER fixed my truck properly, and in fact it was worse each time I got it back. Yet they always claimed they had fully repaired it! (Gee, I wonder what financial incentives they may have been interested in here?) Ford's Customer Service was of no help, and they never even placed a follow-up call to me this summer! Furthermore, I spoke directly with the General Mgr. of the involved Ford dealership about my summer-long ordeal at the hands of his service shop, and it quickly became clear that he too would be of no help whatsoever.
At any rate, after I got my Explorer back from that one Ford dealer for the 3rd time this summer and it was still not fixed, I made an appointment with another Ford dealership to have the problem assessed for a 4th time. But, while I was waiting for that appointment date, I decided to test drive the new 4Runner, and ended up buying my new 4Runner Limited that same day. My Toyota dealer accepted my Explorer in trade for $16,400.00 (generous!), and after they paid off the $18,000.00 I owed my credit union on the Explorer, I then paid the remaining outstanding balance out-of-pocket to finally be rid of that Ford for good, as well as to thoroughly wash my hands of Ford Motor Company, Inc. Trust me--I will never, ever buy another American vehicle.
And so, how does my 4Runner Ltd. compare to my previous Explorer? Well, you get what you pay for when it comes to Toyota. Yes, you will pay a premium for Toyota quality, reliability, attention to detail, and service; but you will also get a vehicle that inspires real pride and thrill of ownership. Furthermore, Toyota's higher end vehicles traditionally have excellent longevity along with high resale value. In contrast, I've come to view my previous Explorer as having been conceived and built as a "disposable" vehicle that began to fail and fall apart not long after 36,000 miles had elapsed! Hmmm...
#7687 of 11429 ignition problems
Sep 18, 2003 (7:04 pm)
I have a 95 surburban and won't start. There is no spark coming out of the coil wire. There is 12 volts going to the coil and the igniter. Resistance readings of the coil read correct. I am leaning to the igniter being problem but very expensive to just try. Any suggestions on how to verify it is problem? Any suggestions on what I can check further. I have no idea what I might read using ohm meter on the connections at the igniter. I know it has two wires coming from computer, one to 12 volt source and one to tach and on to low side of coil.
#7688 of 11429 RE: ignition problems
Sep 18, 2003 (8:47 pm)
Wow, do you ever have have the wrong message board!
#7690 of 11429 Sulphur smell
Sep 19, 2003 (5:14 am)
Live in Illinois, 03 4Runner v6 SR5 built in 05/03.. havent smelled any suphur yet but then again I smoke a pack a day so I really can't smell or taste anything. Hmm... wonder if most people who have no smell problems also smoke I'm afraid to quit now!
Sep 19, 2003 (6:28 am)
I have 2 deals. First 03 4runner limited. Msrp38177, invoice34369 Deal is 300 over invoice less 750. My price 33,919. Color pac blue with black int. On explorer xlt msrp 34270, my price 27390. Moon roof credit, 3rd seat running boards aux climate control. Of course ford giving 0% for 72 mos. What are your opinions? Fords aggressive pricing vs toyota quality. I'm torn. Can I get a better price on toyota?
Sep 19, 2003 (7:35 am)
I agree with everything you typed! I owned three Exploders '97, '99 and '00, all Sport models with the '00 being top of the line leather, automatic and 4x4. The other two models were standard 5 speed and 2WD. All vehicles were purchased/leased new, I special ordered the '00, and maintained the vehicles meticulously. The '00 had the thermostat die/stick at 18K miles, tow to dealer, then the fuel pump died at 36K, tow to dealer and $500 later, 200 miles out of warranty!, at 43K miles the tranny started slipping and the interior was wearing badly.
So, I traded the '00 Ford for a '02 Toyota Sport 4x4 (new). 2nd best vehicle I have ever owned. Never been to the shop other than scheduled maintenance. I liked it so much, I traded the '02 for a '03 Sport 4x4 V8. This is the best vehicle, not just SUV, that I have ever owned. Fit and finish are better than my BMW and MB. Drive is smooth and responsive and the interior is comfortable and spacious.
The Explorer (American cars in general) are disposable. American automobile manufacturers want you to buy another vehicle at 36K miles, or sooner. American cars are built to fall apart at 36K miles. Toyota's are built for people in the world who look at a vehicle purchase as a long term involvement, like buying a house, and are built to match that expectation. Have you noticied the Toyota's built in America are starting to have reliability issues?
Based on the American viewpoint of disposable and replaceable all automobiles built in America are designed and built to last 3 years or 36K miles. Buy a Toyota built in Japan and you will have a reliable, stable, value retaining investment for the next 7 to 10 years.
Sep 19, 2003 (9:22 am)
The 03 and 04 are basically the same. The only changes are to options. The 04 NAV now come with the backup camera. The 04 also has a tire pressure light. Lastly, if you want it, you can get a 3rd row in an SR5 or Limited, but not if you also want certain options (Nav, etc..) That's it. Some colors from 03 (green and red) are not available in 04, but everything else is the same.
Regardless of the MSRPs, you will save a bunch if you can find an 03 that you like. If you don't want a 3rd row and can live without the rear backup camera and tire pressure warning light, I'd be looking for an 03.
If you like the gey plastic cladding, you can save even more $.
#7695 of 11429 Take it easy on American vehicles
Sep 19, 2003 (9:43 am)
Perhaps once you get a Japanese lemon (unlikely, but not like it's never happenned), you won't be so categorical. Ford is a POS for sure, and DC is not much better, but GM is starting to make quality vehicles, and it looks like they won't be stopping any time soon. But we should definitely praise the Japanese for forcing Americans to start making quality cars. Thank you, thank you!