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Toyota 4Runner, SUV
#4811 of 11429 Rollover ratings
Jan 30, 2003 (8:01 am)
As a three time Toyota 4Runner owner (1995/1999/2002, I can honestly say that I have NEVER came close to rolling this vehicle. I must admit that I have driven these vehicles rather aggresively (like a sports car) over the years and I have always been happy with the handling and performance. I love this vehicle for both its stance and high ground clearance. I am a reformed Jeep CJ7 owner who has found happiness with a solid vehicle that has the durability and quality to keep me happy for many years. I have always thought that if I could give advice to folks purchasing this vehicle, it would be to buy the pkg that included the larger tire/wheel combo because it just gives it a better performance edge + better overall gearing.
#4812 of 11429 Iceman50 - Buying question
Jan 30, 2003 (8:48 am)
Every store handles things in different ways. Personally, I think if you haven't heard from one salesman since October he has no "right" to the sale. But since it's a small store, work with whoever you are most comfortable with but make sure you tell them the entire story, they probably have an in-house policy how do deal with situations such as yours.
#4813 of 11429 More legroom/headroom
Jan 30, 2003 (9:04 am)
steffen06: I completely agree with passthegravy: the non-power seats in the new 4Runer adjust noticeably further than the power ones. I am 6'6" as well, and could not fit in the Limited with its power seats, but i do fit in my new Sport Edition with its manual seats (Admittedly i just barely fit). I'm not a fan of big vehicles, so I'm pretty use to barely fitting in what i drive anyway (my other car is a Supra Turbo - also barely fit). My new 4Runner fits as well as my 1990 4Runner i traded in for it did. The new one rocks.
Jan 30, 2003 (10:56 am)
The 3rd gen 4Runners did well in Consumer Report's handling tests. It did not lift a wheel.
The '03 4Runner is significantly lower than the 3rd gen...therefore, it's center of gravity is much improved. I would expect it to get 3 stars.
I read (Car & Driver) that the GX470 has a very low center of gravity. GX engineer said that it was nearly impossible to roll the GX. I assume the same is true for the '03 4Runner.
Jan 30, 2003 (2:52 pm)
It is true the 3rd generation got 2 stars for rollover. It is also true it is a static non-moving test. If you look at a 3rd generation 4Runner it is quite tall and narrow. The wheels are out as far a they can be, but still it got only 2 stars. The 4th generation is quite wider, a bit lower, also lower to the ground and has a longer wheel base, all these factors should help in the static test. It is also heavier, which is a negative. It should do better, as far as three stars, we will have to see.
Consumer Reports thinks a rollover test should be a moving test. That is what they do, and they get sued every time a SUV does not pass their test. I know Consumer Reports has asked the government to come up with a moving rollover test, but no standards have been done.
It is also true the 3rd generation passed the Consumer Report test. It was came back with the fastest speed for the test, which included 4 other SUV's. (5 if you include the Montero which flunked the test.) Consumer Reports credits the VSC (vehicle skid control) in getting the good numbers.
#4816 of 11429 Peter...don't forget...
Jan 30, 2003 (2:55 pm)
The MDX actually did worse around the cones than the '01 4runner with VSC! Woohoo, we actually beat a minivan! J/K
#4817 of 11429 skhosla: some replies
Jan 30, 2003 (3:10 pm)
First off, see my post #4789 regarding special orders. $500 over invoice is a good quote for a special order, but I'll assume they are quoting $500 over invoice for a car on the lot or a dealer trade, not a special order. I didn't find anyone that would do anything under $1000 over invoice on a build order, but if you did, more power to you.
"I have heard that some dealers might be offering incentives (0% APR or 1500 off invoice!?!?)."
I think $1500 off INVOICE is unlikely, but I might be wrong. $1500 off MSRP is possible, because that's about $2000 over invoice.
As far as the spoiler is concerned, I think it's probably cosmetic.
Hope I have been of some help.
Jan 30, 2003 (3:12 pm)
I know Consumer Reports has asked the government to come up with a moving rollover test, but no standards have been done.
Here's where you can read all about NHTSA Rollover Research
#4819 of 11429 Blurred Mirrors on 2003 4Runners
Jan 30, 2003 (4:08 pm)
We recently bought a new 2003 Toyota 4Runner Limited. I would like to know if anyone else is having the problem we are? Both outside rear view mirrors are blurred. A simple test is to hold your hand close to the mirror and view your hand in the mirror. If your hand appears blurred, then you are seeing the problem we have. Toyota says this seems to be a characteristic of the heated mirrors having the “Rain Clearing Coating” (From The Factory) on the mirrors. This blurring is very bothersome to me and under normal driving conditions gives my wife a headache. This problem has been seen on all 2003 4Runner Limited and Sport models we have seen. The mirrors on the 2003 SR5 4Runner are not heated nor do they have the “Rain Clearing Coating” on them and they appear clear. What do you know about this problem? Thank You.
#4820 of 11429 Thanks Jared!
Jan 30, 2003 (7:24 pm)
Yeah, I can't believe that I am being offered 500$ over invoice. He started with 1000$ over, but I told him I had a quote of 500 over from another dealer (w/c is kind of far from where I stay), and he was willing to negotiate...
I wonder how come 4runner is being sold at 500-1000 over invoice in spite of more improvements in 2003. I mean, I would have expected it to be selling to closer to MSRP for a brand new redesign. I guess, people are not jumping for these as much as Toyota would have liked them to. People get put off by cladding of SR5s and prices of the Limited. Just a thought.
By the way, can someone comment on these:
1. Rear spoiler - useful or purely for cosmetics?
2. CD changer - is it smooth and quick or takes forever between changing CDs?
3. Invoice and MSRP for the DVD entertainment system. I know that Toyota is not manufacturing these yet, but I would have expected the price to come out by now for this option. Dealer says he can install it post-production for about 1800$.