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Toyota 4Runner, SUV
#3770 of 11429 Build Your Own Site
Oct 23, 2002 (10:44 am)
I happen to look at the Toyota site that has "Build Your Own". Sure enough it has two pictures of the 2003 4Runners with a banner saying $1500 off the Limited. But the specs, such as the 3.4 V6 engine and rear drum brakes are for the 2002. Bottom line: They have only partially upgraded their site. Which makes it a little confusing. Unfortunately they haven't upgraded the prices.
One other thing about the Toyota site, they have a 4Ruuner off road game and I couldn't get past the first check point while my son, who is too young to drive went through three different courses, sand, uphill and downhill.
#3772 of 11429 2003 Four Wheeler of the Year - 4Runner a contestant!!
Oct 23, 2002 (10:55 am)
2003 Four Wheeler of the Year
Which Will Win?
Itís that time of year again. The staff has been busy putting the new-for-í03 vehicles through the paces--sand, hill, rockcrawling, racetrack, highway, and much more--to determine which is the Four Wheeler of the Year. While we are busy judging which vehicle performs best, we are wondering which one you think will win the coveted title.
Ford Excursion (6.0L PowerStroke diesel)
Hummer H2 (all-new vehicle)
Jeep Wrangler Rubicon (new off-road package)
Kia Sorento (all-new vehicle)
Lexus GX470 (all-new vehicle)
Mitsubishi Montero (new 3.8L V-6 and traction/skid control system)
Toyota 4Runner (redesigned, including 4.7L V-8)
To find out which vehicle does win our competition, pick up the February issue of Four Wheeler Magazine, on sale 12/31.
My guess is that the H2 will win, followed by the Rubicon, Lexus GX470, 4Runner, Montero, Excursion, and Kia
Oct 23, 2002 (12:41 pm)
is the Wrangler Rubicon, as Four Wheeler only really cares about off-road ability. When push-comes-to-shove, off-roading is what will carry the day in their minds. Everything else is secondary.
Also, the 4WD rags in general have been drooling over the Rubicon ever since it was announced. This will just make it official. I don't think any of the other contenders are even in the running.
#3775 of 11429 Detroit News article
Oct 23, 2002 (12:42 pm)
I agree with this article on alot of the points it makes. Granted most of them are small gripes, but as long as Toyota took to design this update and all of the consumer research they SUPPOSEDLY put into it I am a bit underwhelmed by some of the features. The exterior (except the notched cladding), the xreas, vsc, atrac and drivetrain/4wd drive systems all seem outstanding. However the interior details don't seem quite up to par. I know these are minor, but here's my list of shortcomings:
- rear window goes down with key fob, but up only from inside. doesn't make sense to me.
- for those who want the power seats where is the 2 position seat memory, that most competitors offer?
- the HVAC nobs/dials/toggles are complete garbage. About 5-10 years ago car makers figured out the easiest to use were good ol' dials. Why try something this wacky?
- with the explosion of portable electronics as of late, why is there only one lighter/plug in the front? you have to order the smoker's package to get a second. Nice for the GPS/phone/PDA/laptop, but how about one inside the center console away from prying eyes?
- haven't seen a sport yet, but if it doesn't include the mirror on the visor like the article says then I'm surprised. Again I thought this was pretty much an industry standard.
- I'm still undecided about the double decker cargo area. To be truly useful it needs to be able to support more weight since that's where the big stuff would have to go if I cram small items (that's all that will fit) under it. As it is now it just takes an inch away from available height. I rather see the cargo area finished in an uncarpeted durable rubber/polymer matting, with a storage divider of some sort standard.
- if you're gonna offer a rear entertainment system then where's the DVD player?
As I said these are relatively small issues and most are not even options I would personally want/need, but their abscence makes me wonder what was going on at Toyota.
Oct 23, 2002 (12:51 pm)
I think the H2 will win, because not only is the off road great, but the Four Wheeler of the Year competition also includes, highway driving, breaking, handling, etc.. Also, I know Rubicon has front and rear lockers, but the H2 has rear locker and high tech front traction control, along with 35 inch tires, compared to Rubicons 31.
Now, when Four Wheeler has their next Ultimate 4x4 Competition, which STRICTLY rates OFF ROAD ABILITY and OFF ROAD ABILITY ONLY, it should include the H1, H2, Rubicon, Tacoma, and Mercedes G500, that will be fun!
#3777 of 11429 Some Points
Oct 23, 2002 (12:57 pm)
First onn Foghorn's post - a minor point - there is a plug in the center console in my 03 runner.
I agree that there is not much head clearance. It's interesting how people are pretty much unanimous on what is wrong and right with the vehicle. Bad - head clearance, weird climate controls, no position memory on seats, second tier storage not that useful, bad cladding on SR5, kind of strange interior finish that looks a little like a kitchen counter or bathroom wall, no roll up of rear window with remote, etc. Good - solid truck frame, great powerful and smooth engine, great ride and handling, great 4 wheel drive system, great xreas system (I really like this) and great fit and finish on the exterior and interior components. Of course all of the good things are what matter to me and none of the bad things (except the cladding) mattered that much.
#3778 of 11429 Now a Question
Oct 23, 2002 (1:07 pm)
Will the gas mileage improve or get worse over time. The car computer is showing an average of less than 16 mpg for both city and highway driving over the last week. According to the mnfctr information it should be somewhere between 16 and 20. It doesn't seem like I am going to break 16 let alone get close to 20 and it was the superior gas mileage of the 4runner over the Pathfinder that was one of the reasons I dropped the extra cash. Any ideas? Is each 4runner going to be different when it comes to mileage?
#3779 of 11429 Sorry to Post so Much
Oct 23, 2002 (1:10 pm)
But I wanted to add a couple more things.
The limited has the lighted mirror in the visor on both passenger and driver visors.
A word of warning. My 03 came with the premium JBL sound system and nav system. The salesman assumed and told me that I had a 6 CD changer in the truck based on the fact that I had the premium sound system. Apparently he was wrong. So don't assume that you will get the 6 CD changer with the premium sound system and nav system. He told me after I bought it that it didn't have the 6 CD changer because the power supply probably could support a 6 CD changer in addition to everything else. Is that accurate?