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Toyota 4Runner, SUV
#3740 of 11429 Cliffy (or anyone)...i need your help!
Oct 22, 2002 (1:26 pm)
My '02 4Runner Ltd. 4wd listed height in the Toyota brochure is 68.5". Here are some strange facts:
1. 2wd model is also 68.5, BUT ground clearance in 4wd is 11.0 vs. 10.2 in 2wd.
2. In "pressroom.toyota.com", the listed height is 67.9" for my '02 4Runner Ltd. 4wd.
3. In 2001, in the brochure, the 4runner Ltd. 4wd has a listed height of 69.3 for 4wd Ltd. and 68.5" for 2wd Ltd. Ground clearance is also 11 vs. 10.2.
4. Approach/departure angles are all the same between the '01 and '02 4Runners...you would think a decrease in height will decrease these angles.
Very conflicting information!!
Did the '02 4Runner drop an inch in height for some reason?? Did Toyota change the springs??
In addition prior to 2001, the approach and departure angles were 1 degree better (36/29 vs. 35/28 now). Prior to 2001, height of the 4Runner Ltd. 4wd was 69.3". Did something change???? Maybe you can ask your parts-guy to check if the springs are the same for all 4Runner Ltd. 4wd since 2000???
Yes, i am a bit picky with numbers...i have issues!
Oct 22, 2002 (1:43 pm)
My head is spinning. Seriously.
First of all, realize that the guys who print the brochures and make the press releases are not infallible. I have an hypothesis about this. There are different heights between the 2WD and 4WD. There are also difference in height between the stock tires of 2001 and the optional tires for 2001. Those optional tires for 2001 became standard part way through the model year. Therefore, you have 4 different possible overall heights. 2WD with stock 2001 tires, 2WD with optional 2001 or standard 2002 tires, 4WD with stock 2001 tires and 4WD with optional 2001 tires.
Now the part that confuses me is that the Limited only had one possible tire. It is likely that whomever wrote the brochure missed that fact when listing the overall heights in 2002.
I don't know. <shrug>
#3742 of 11429 Cliffy...thanks...
Oct 22, 2002 (2:41 pm)
That is what i thought...but, for crying out loud, why can't they keep these facts straight!
Toyota people (except you, Cliffy) know NOTHING about off-roading, nor care to learn! Darn, they can't even copy the information right! Plus the bogus ground clearance measurement...add it all up...and you have one confused customer! None of my salesman even know how to shift the 4Runner into 4-LO nor the function of center diff lock!!
Thanks to Edmunds for this forum!
Oct 22, 2002 (2:45 pm)
At least Ford is consistent - they seem to publish the same ground clearance number for the Escape whether it's a 2x, 4x, 15" or 16" wheels, etc.
#3744 of 11429 customer service
Oct 22, 2002 (3:56 pm)
I called that number for Toyota Customer Service. No plans to change the cladding. They said their market research indicated people wanted a more rugged look. I asked where they got their research from. He said it was from all across the country. I almost asked what country was this, couldn't be here.
He kept on stressing the "rugged" aspect of the cladding, but most people don't even go off road with these ( kind of sad really for the 4WD). Quite interesting info.
If rugged was their aim, then why did they lower the ground clearance? Oh well.
#3745 of 11429 My test drive experience with 2003 4runner
Oct 22, 2002 (4:42 pm)
I owned 2002 a toyota sequoia. But my wife was initmidated by its size. So I am looking into the new 4runner. I agreeed with everybody here that the cladding in SR5 is horrible. It might be a good idea if Toyota adopts similar plastics as used in lexus ES300. Another thing I doesn't like is the weird air conditioner knob. It looks plain cheap.
The second row doesn't have enough leg room and head room, especially equiped with the side curtain air bag. Driver seat has plenty of leg room but barely any head room. I sit in a SR5 which has no power seat option. My head almost ouched the roof. So I think power seat is a must for any one over 6 feet since the manual seat can not be lowered ( though it can be tilted.) But my sale guy told me that only limited version comes with power seats.
Now back to my test drive experience . Silky smooth tranmission and super quiet engine. I drove the sequoia so I can assure you the 5 speed transmission is a lot smoother than sequoia. 2003 4runner drives faster, tighter and quieter. So 4 runner wins thumb up here. The rear seat design allow the second row to be lowered to creat the huge flat area. Very neat design.
So overall the power train is the best in its class. It handles nimble, drives quick and park with easy. All in all, if you are not too tall and have the money to go for limited, or the cladding doesn't bother you, it is a vechicle for you.
#3746 of 11429 manual seats / gas_guzzler
Oct 22, 2002 (4:45 pm)
The manual seats can be lowered or raised for height adjustment.
Oct 22, 2002 (4:46 pm)
One word of advice for anyone who doesn't want to pay MSRP - SHOP! Example: If you're in New England, I suggest you go to the biggest Toyota Dealer in Ct. (Hartford Toyota) like I did and see - (can I say R.J.'s name here?). There are 6 dealers within a 30 mile radius of Hartford. I drove an extra 10 miles from my house and saved a couple of big ones. My Galactic Gray Limited is on the way. Any questions?
#3748 of 11429 RE: History lesson by cliffy1
Oct 22, 2002 (5:37 pm)
Nothing against Cliffy but the economy was doing a whole lot better in Feb '96 than now.
P.S. I want a 4x4 SR5 without all the cladding and crap.
#3749 of 11429 rugged look?
Oct 22, 2002 (5:51 pm)
If Toyota wants a car that looks rugged, why don't they just put the cladding on the Sport models. Those are the consumers who would most likely be interested in off-road and "rugged" features.
I called customer service today and they were not the least bit interested in what I had to say. The guy was a total moron, much like many car salesmen that have told me that the 03 runner only comes in a V6. He knew absolutely nothing about the cars and put me on hold for ten minutes to tell me that the SR5 did not come with bodycolored cladding. Oh well! I will keep calling until someone listens and hopefully changes it! Goodluck to all... Please call!
mrwhipple--I agree, just who did they interview to get that research? What country? must have been the GM design team!