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Toyota 4Runner, SUV
#1582 of 11429 Steve_Host reply and thanks cliffy1
Apr 16, 2002 (12:57 pm)
As I mentioned in my reply to your off-list message, my signature is normally part of all my e-mail messages and postings and isn't intended as spam. In fact, I participate in several motorcycle lists as well as a Land Cruiser list and my sig has never even been mentioned. But I will make sure it isn't used here.
Back to the topic.
Steve/cliffy1, thanks very much for the reply. You're quite right about the liability issues. I do realize the risks of modifying a seat bracket and also your position (as a Toyota dealer employee) which would wisely point you towards discouraging such a modification.
Within the BMW motorcycle community, virtual and otherwise, modifications like this (and far more drastic) are done routinely. In my mind it's a matter of how well thought out and executed the modification is. We'd like to think that the manufacturer's designs for seat positioning with respect to steering wheels, airbags, etc. is precise and intentional. To be sure, Toyota is no doubt always looking for the design compromise that benefits the greatest number of potential drivers. Naturally, test dummies have to be standardized, etc. and as a result very tall or very short drivers can inavoidably be left with less than ideal designs.
I feel fairly sure that a competent machinist can create new rear brackets for the drivers seat which match or exceed the strength of the OEM versions. If I sell the truck, I'll make sure the OEM brackets are reinstalled. Or...maybe this can all be done with seat foam mods.
Since I really like this vehicle, my only other options are to buy a 2001/2002 SR5 and have a top-slider sunroof installed or wait for the 2003 model (which creates some logistical challenges). Given the choice between altered seat brackets/seat foam and an aftermarket sunroof I'd rather look at the less drastic option first. Thanks for the van-conversion shop tip; I hadn't thought of that.
Thanks also for the suggestion about the driving position change. I drive long distances often and can only recline so far while still staying alert and comfortable. I appreciate the idea though.
Any other tall or tall-trunked 4runner owners out there? This board seems mighty quiet right now.
just plain Sean, headed out soon for a ride in the evening sun
#1583 of 11429 *******Part Needed**** 90 4runner 4x4 6cyl
Apr 16, 2002 (1:50 pm)
Does anyone know where I can get a "Fan bracket sub assembly" ???? Its a bracket that is located on top of the water pump and just spends the fan. The dealers are trying to sell the part at $575 with extra parts that I dont need. If anyone has an blown 6cyl engine name your price for the bracket. Read the title for the truck specs.
Apr 16, 2002 (2:59 pm)
Seanreid, I'm 6' tall and have a 01 SR5 w/o the sunroof. I have plenty of head room and have never even thought of it as an issue. I bought my Runner w/o the sunroof because it was the only one that had the color and options I wanted in my area. I must say, that I haven't missed the sunroof a bit. All of my other cars have had one. I guess it is just a matter of preference. Also, ask yourself how often you really use a sunroof, unless you smoke or have frequent problems with flatulence, probably not very often:) (or live in the south where it is warm more than 4 months out of the year)
#1585 of 11429 Head Room (part2)
Apr 16, 2002 (4:17 pm)
I'm 6'4" and I also have a 01 SR5 without a sunroof. To be honest I have never owned a sunroof because of my height. I wrote a year ago saying the headroom was great. Now after a year of living with it, it is still good, but not exactly great. I have about 2" of headroom which would be missing if I had a sunroof. At a stop light I tend to peak down to see the light if I am the first in line. Getting in and out at 6'4" is a special art only to be learned over time. Unlike Cliffy's suggestion, I don't have to adjust the seat recliner, I can sit up normal. So if your tall, either recline the seat, skip the sunroof or get another SUV, like maybe the 03 4Runner which is coming out in ?????
Apr 17, 2002 (3:16 am)
Thanks brian124 and peter78. My trunk is tall enough that I have about 1.5" headroom in the 4runner w/o the sunroof. Initially I ruled out the 4runner because of this but as I researched and drove different vehicles, the 4runner kept looking better and better. Here's a list of what it offers that I don't think any other vehicle can match:
1. Bulletproof reliability long term
2. 19 - 20 mpg on the highway using regular gas
3. A center differential (certain models/years)
4. Towing capacity of 5000 lbs.
5. A reasonably powerful engine
6. A body on frame design with a good ground clearance for driving off road (which I do)
7. A power rear window which, in combination with a sunroof, creates a quasi-convertible
8. A small enough body to be maneuverable in tight quarters
9. Seating for 4/5
We've owned several Toyotas as well as a couple of GMC trucks, Subarus, etc. and the Toyotas have been the best built and most reliable. The natural competitor is the Nissan Pathfinder but the current generation has even less headroom than the 4runner (despite what the the headroom specs suggest). The older Pathfinders are underpowered. I fit in the Grand Cherokee (with sunroof) but its reliability track record isn't good. I do a lot of long distance driving on back roads so gas mileage really becomes an issue. So...crazy as it may sound...I think modifying a 4runner seat to fit me is my best route. I'm one of those people who open the sunroof all the time and I'd often be driving the runner with all windows down and the roof open. I almost bought a 1997 Land Cruiser but I don't think I can live with the gas mileage driving as much as I do. The 2003 4runner is very appealing but waiting until fall creates some logistical problems for the summer. I'll bet the new model has more headroom. Again, thanks for the feedback.
#1588 of 11429 GX-470 = '03 4Runner?!?!?!
Apr 20, 2002 (10:49 am)
1) First, since there is now a preview of this SUV on the Edmund's review page, what happened to the Lexus GX-470 townhall topic group? It had some interesting links to more pics and info. Specifically it confirmed that this is a copy of Toyota's Land Cruiser Prado sold in Japan.
2) Someone please tell me there is still hope, that the new 4runner won't be based on this truck. IMHO, it's ugly, and poorly thought out (curb side opening tailgate, old school third row seats that don't hide when folded, etc...). I'm hanging my hat on the fact that in Japan, the current 4runner (called a "Hilux surfer" or something) and the GX-470 are sold side by side. Anyone know how long they have co-existed as stable mates? Maybe, just maybe, they're importing the Prado (as the GX-470) for the hi-end Lexus mark, and bringing an entirely new 4-runner to the rest of us. I hope so. Unless they signficantly alter the GX-470 for Toyota badging or bring in a completely different truck, I doubt I'll be able to give Toyota my money.
Apr 20, 2002 (10:59 am)
It was "lost" for a while, but it's back:
Lexus GX 470
SUVs, Vans and Aftermarket & Accessories Message Boards
Apr 20, 2002 (11:34 am)
Wow, talk about quick service! Nice to have the link again, but I was incorrect. The posts I referring to are actually on this topic (posts #1406, #1407) from "hiluxsurf".
Can you can answer my question about how long the LC Prado and HiluxSurf have been sold side by side in Japan? If it's been a while, then Toyota must see a need for two similarly sized SUV's in Japan and may see the same need here. I will admit that styling of the LC Prado is slightly more palatable than the GX-470, but it is far from inspiring and probably still not enough to pry 30K out of my wallet.
Apr 20, 2002 (2:14 pm)
Sorry to hear about your boating accident. I have been out of action for a while. Recently I was at the dealer getting the wifes Solara servied and my sales rep told me they are heading to a ride and drive for the 03 4RUNNER soon. They didn't have an exact date or location yet, but it was soon. They indicated fall and such.
Buzz, Cliffy has been posting here longer than me and then some. He has always provided accurate (based on information available at press time) to everyone, you as I can see have never substantiated anything you posted. I can do the same as you have. Someone high up said it will rain tomorrow. Guess that weather guy was wrong.