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#6 of 1206 johnQPublic by johnQPublic Jan 29, 1999 (5:42 pm)
Forgot to mention...not one radar detector is going to save you from laser...when it goes off, you are getting a ticket. Get a laser jammer.
#7 of 1206 MongoaPawn by MongoaPawn Jan 29, 1999 (7:13 pm)
JohnQ With all due respect, I beg to differ on the relevance of Automobile mag review or whether their testing is inferior to Speedlabs. The Auto mag review, while somewhat puzzling at times, is far more thorough than one instant-on test. And while instant-on is the most feared and dangerous radar (short of laser which is not as common as yet), the others are still out there. Other factors such as false alerts, response to other bands, etc. are still very important. I own a Bel 745 which was top of the line Bel several years ago. I have not been pleased with the significant number of false alerts on K and Ka band to the point that I almost ignore it. That along with the fact that the 855 placed 4th in the Auto mag review makes me want to look elsewhere. Regarding the V1, it's high on my list as I can see the benefit for knowing which direction the signal is coming from, the benefit of a rear facing antenna, and I have several friends that swear by them. BTW, take the price of a Bel or Whistler and add a rear facing remote antenna and the price gets closer. I also believe the V1 can be upgraded as upgrades become necessary or available. My purchase of a 745 was an "upgrade" from a previous detector I had purchased two years earler...add the price of the two together and thats a few $$$. Now I'm in the market again. I don't like the idea of dropping $400 on a detector but unless I see or read something that convinces me otherwise I plan on going with a V1.
#8 of 1206 div2 by div2 Jan 30, 1999 (2:07 pm)
A lot of people believe that Craig Peterson (Automobile's expert) is prejudiced against the V1. There is a rumor that Valentine Research had refused to hire him as a consultant. One of his persistant criticisms of the V1 was that the direction arrows were "confusing". I consider them essential. It seems that the V1's performance increased to the point that even Mr. Peterson had to acknowledge the fact.
#9 of 1206 MongoaPawn by MongoaPawn Jan 30, 1999 (4:34 pm)
div2 I understood the same thing regarding Peterson's bias....which if true, makes the results of the Automobile review more credible. As mentioned previously, I actually found the review and tests somewhat puzzling. For example, why would one unit test longer on Ka than another on a straightaway but shorter when the Ka is hiding in a curve due "to higher sensitivity"? To me, false alerts are my biggest problem to overcome. Get enough of them and then you start ignoring real problems. It's not so much highway as it is metropolitan areas. You can drive all over the city of Atlanta and deal with 70+MPH speeds through areas loaded with radar emitting devices....most of which are not speed detection. At least if you have directional arrows like the V1 you may get some help discerning the difference between false and real problems. Still studying the situation.....before I buy. Just my .02
#10 of 1206 C13 by C13 Jan 31, 1999 (2:54 am)
Automobile's credibility has been challenged before. If memory serves, on one of their old radar detector tests, the expert (Peterson?) was later accused of being in the employ of one of the manufacturers (whose products did very well on the test). It turns out that the allegation was true. The magazine published an admission of this, "but we stand by our test results". I don't ask anybody to take my word for it, since I can't make specific allegations, but for my money, the magazine and the editor have lost all credibility. They're also one of the sillier, more juvenile car magazines. Car & Driver, which I generally think tries to do a respectable job of reporting, found the 'jammers' that they tested to be worthless.
#11 of 1206 MongoaPawn by MongoaPawn Jan 31, 1999 (2:48 pm)
Agree with you C13. Not an Automobile mag reader but do read Car & Driver. I do recall the article that stated that 'jammers" are worthless, based on the testing they did. C&D also has year-in/out put the V1 at the top of the list as well....to the point that I might wonder if they work so closely together that it hurts their credibility. I certainly am not making any allegations either but if you go to the Valentine website in Mike's labs you find a report where C&D asked Valentine to do a laser/windshield test for them in the August 98 issue. It would make me feel better if there was no other relationship other than objective 3rd party. Again...just my .02. Still want a V1!!
#12 of 1206 Questions, questions... by bhepler Feb 01, 1999 (3:37 pm)
Anybody had any experience with the K40 in-dash radar detector? I know it's expensive as all get out but I live in VA and that funny black box on the winshield is readily visible, you know? I have heard nothing but praise about the Valentine unit from people who have them. C13: when you said that C&D rated the jammers as useless, were these radar jammers or laser jammers?
#13 of 1206 C13 by C13 Feb 01, 1999 (5:11 pm)
I don't remember. I'll see if I can find the article.
#14 of 1206 MongoaPawn by MongoaPawn Feb 01, 1999 (8:51 pm)
bhepler Can't help on the K40 question...however, since you are in VA where detectors are illegal aren't you concerned about police use of radar detector detectors. Some web research I did today did state that there is such a thing and they are being used. I guess if it's mounted in your dash they can't confiscate it and drive over it with the squad car. Regarding jammers, check out this website. http://www.radar.co.nz/usa/usarticle4.html They basically conclude that passive radar jammers don't work and active radar and laser jammers have limited range. Also, legality questions for use in US. Very easy to detect. I recall the C&D article to be less positive than the info at this site.
#15 of 1206 Detector detectors by bhepler Feb 01, 1999 (11:41 pm)
Like most radar detectors out there, they (K40) claim that their product is shielded against VG-2 detectors. Essentially, it should be completely invisible to your friendly neighborhood speed enforcement. My concern is that it is illegal to have them in VA, and I don't want this funny black box taped to my winshield with a coiled black cord running to my cigarette lighter. An in-dash unit would be ideal, but Valentine only makes a remote view panel, you still have to have the box on your dash. The cops out here are very sneaky and if they ride your butt like they are prone to do, they'll spot a dash unit for sure. MongoaPawn: Thanks for the link. If the detector detectors is in use, I'm sure it's in VA.

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