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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [accord1942] by jimbres
Nov 01, 2009 (4:29 pm)
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Replying to: accord1942 (Oct 31, 2009 7:00 am)

Keep it. For at least the next couple of years, your repair costs will almost certainly be less than what you'd lose in depreciation if you bought a new car. For example, a new $25K car will be worth at least $5K less by its 1st birthday, while your car's value will go down by only a few hundred dollars over the next year. So even if you have to spend $3K on repairs during that time, which is not very likely, you'll still be money ahead of where you would be if you replaced your CR-V.
 
Most people tend to overestimate repair costs & underestimate depreciation expense when they're doing car ownership math.
 
One more thing. Don't trade your CR-V in when you decide to buy a new car. Sell it privately. You'll be surprised by how quickly your car sells & how much you get for it. Having sold a nearly 12-year-old Accord that wasn't much to look at in just one day, I'm speaking from personal experience. Used Hondas & Toyotas can bring stupid money.
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [jimbres] by berri
Nov 01, 2009 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 01, 2009 4:29 pm)

I generally agree with what you are saying Except the $3500 AC repair is on top of depreciation and even Honda loving Consumer Reports give these things a black dot for AC. If their Honda blows the AC tomorrow, that's an instant out of pocket loss of $3500 and in Florida you can't really live without the AC unfortunately! Further, when you read the blogs it looks like the AC repair doesn't hold up long term either.
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [berri] by jimbres
Nov 02, 2009 (5:04 am)
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Replying to: berri (Nov 01, 2009 7:02 pm)

According to Consumer Report's website, to which I subscribe, reliability of the '02 CR-V's climate system is average. (CR's data suggest that 2004 was the worst year for CR-V A/C problems.)
 
Moreover, the '02 CR-V is among the used cars that CR recommends in the $8K to $10K price range.
 
If it were my car, I might consider selling it (certainly not trading it in) & buying a new one - but not out of fear of high repair costs. The best reasons for getting rid of it are safety-related. The '02 lacks stability control & curtain air bags, both of which are critically important safety features.
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [jimbres] by accord1942
Nov 03, 2009 (7:09 am)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 02, 2009 5:04 am)

I want to thank all you who replied to my question. I think I got good advise from all of you. I am inclined to get a new CR V or Rav 4. Both are good cars. Oh God, another decision.
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [jimbres] by ateixeira
Nov 05, 2009 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 02, 2009 5:04 am)

Plus the owner isn't reporting any signs of A/C system issues.
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [ateixeira] by berri
Nov 05, 2009 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 8:45 am)

I think it comes on quickly without warning, boom - its over, so its a crapshot owning it.
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [berri] by ateixeira
Nov 05, 2009 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: berri (Nov 05, 2009 9:29 am)

Well you're an optimist!
 
What % of them fail?
 
I had a 93 Miata and sold it this year, in some ways I still regret selling it.
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [berri] by jimbres
Nov 05, 2009 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Nov 05, 2009 9:29 am)

I've been buying new & used cars since the early 1970s, & I've learned 2 things along the way.
 
First, while some cars are more reliable than others, every car has its weak spot, No car is bulletproof. In other words, all cars, without exception, are crapshoots. If you want a sure thing, walk or take the bus.
 
Second, if you habitually get rid of perfectly good cars because you're afraid that something expensive might fail tomorrow, or next week, or next year, then you will certainly go broke some day. It is almost always cheaper to fix what you own than it is to replace it. Yes, there are exceptions to this rule, but not enough to keep frequent buyers from impoverishing themselves, as they usually do.
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [jimbres] by ateixeira
Nov 05, 2009 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 05, 2009 5:08 pm)

Nah, buses break, too. At least my nanny uses that excuse once in a while.
 
Hey, wait a sec....
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Re: 2002 CR V Time to Trade it in? [jimbres] by berri
Nov 05, 2009 (6:56 pm)
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 05, 2009 5:08 pm)

Hey, I'm just looking at it from a business and risk analysis like you. There are always two sides to an argument. Only Honda knows the percentage of AC failures, but some things seem to indicate it is a problem area - excessive blogs on the matter and the fact that Honda suddenly took a hard line against its customers, which is something it normally doesn't seem to do. If it was a very slim risk it wouldn't have been that expensive for Honda to handle it like they did trannies on Ody and Accord. You'll also note that there is whole forum dedicated to just CRV AC issues including more than a few people on their second or more AC repair!
 
From a financial basis you can look at it on a depreciation basis which is probably the basis you are using. However, to me its more than just a pure dollar decision. You can also look at it from a risk basis. Right now the vehicle still has a some decent trade value left, if the AC goes that just changed big time. Honda's are not invincible, and just like domestic cars when a car gets to be 8 years old its likely to start nickel and diming you, and also more likely to fail on the road than a newer car. If you don't mind these inconveniences and are willing to absorb a seemingly better than average chance of a $3500 AC bill, then keep the car. However, I prefer to to get rid of them when they get around 6 or 7 years old ( or 65-70K or so) anyway, before all the hassles start. Most cars I've had (foreign or domestic) also start riding worse and rattling at this point, as well as leaking on the garage floor. If a car has an apparent high dollar weakness, be it AC, engine, tranny, etc. to me that's another reason to dump it. Besides, when you start replacing major components there is a good chance it won't hold up or perform as well as the original which has been my experience at least.
 
So I just don't dump cars frequently, nor does holding a car 6 or 7 years lead to impoverishing myself (most of the depreciation is over by then anyway as that curve has pretty much changed to straight line depreciation by then, similar to learning curve behavior). Also, at this point the money you are saving on depreciation for a 7 or 8 year old car is probably being outrun by the inflating new car prices over that period of time and repair and maintenance costs. Take a look at the 02 price versus a 2010. You don't see a lot of fleet cars, even low mileage ones kept much past 5 years other than municipal vehicles. Please don't start telling me the corporate fleet and accounting people don't know what they're doing either.

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