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#15396 of 16202 Re: In the long run, is a manual transmission better than an automatic CRV
Jan 29, 2006 (3:42 pm)
The myth of a higher resale value of an automatic over manual transmission Honda doesn't hold up. Check the Kelly Blue Book (KBB.com) website and even here on Edmunds.com and research the suggested price of a 1998 or 1999 CR-V EX with manual and one with automatic.
The suggested used card price difference between a manual and automatic transmission is nearly zero for a 1st Gen CR-V EX. Considering you paid more for an automatic you're actually losing money over the long run.
If you're talking only a couple of years, say a 2003 or 2004 CR-V, then yes the automatic is going to have a higher suggested used car price. But not by even as much as the original difference in price between an auto and manual transmission.
However, the final choice is which do you prefer to drive? Buy the transmission you'll be happy with, maintain it properly, and it will last a long time.
#15398 of 16202 Re: RAV4 [varmint]
Jan 29, 2006 (7:23 pm)
wow, it doesn't even seem the Highlander was around that long at all.
#15399 of 16202 Re: In the long run, is a manual transmission better than an automatic CRV [hungarian83]
Jan 29, 2006 (7:30 pm)
However, the automatic CR-V gets better fuel economy than the manual (22/27 vs. 21/26), so that's another benefit in your direction.
This is according to EPA estimates. Real World, not necessarily the case. It really depends on the driver(s).
#15400 of 16202 Re: auto vs manual - Help???
Jan 29, 2006 (9:01 pm)
I *am* a "driver" in the truest sense. I deliver 500+ newspapers over 130 miles of "bad" country roads 7 days a week. I'd WANTED a stick (put it in 2nd and just roll along), but I bought a 'good-deal', a USED 2000 CR-V with 47,000 miles on the clock, with an auto/OD and it's quickly becoming a nightmare!! (shoulda gone with gut instinct and kept lookin' - but wife wanted HER car back!)
I took it back to the used car dealer 3 days after I bought it, told him "tranny makes noise, like a hydralic pump suckin air"
His response, "I own one, and they ALL make 'noises'. It's a "new" car to you, and it'll take getting used to."
Well, 10,000 miles (and 65 days AFTER the lemon-law time limit) later, I'm driving it up on a flatbed wrecker, for it's FIRST trip to the local Cottman-man for a FULL rebuild. The rebuild takes 3 weeks, but I get it back, after I drop a check for $3500.00 on his desk.
Now, it's coming home 01-29-2006, after it's SECOND visit/rebuild, 3 months after the FIRST one. Cottman tells me "I'm OVER the 12,000 mile/12 month (which ever comes first) warrenty, but they'll honor it, because -
1. one of the parts used in the initial rebuild was 'defective' (Great - that saves me another 3500!), and
2. the tech remembers I DID come in and tell them there are still problems with the previous Manager waving them off as 'new parts, need time to seat in' (like hard shifting, fighting to get it to over-drive, parking paul not engaging sometimes, no reverse unless I 'tach-it-up' to 1500 RPM or better are normal? --- BTW, the shop is now under NEW Managment!)
3. the tech then tells me, "may be you'd best consider SELLING this one! There is a problem in the tranny/tranfer case that frankly, I've never seen before and can't figure what it is! It MAY be a manufacturer's defect! - I'm afraid you're going to have MORE problems down the road!" (This guy is CHOCK=FULL of cheerful news, ain't he?)
What I need (other than a fifth of something) - has anyone out there heard of Honda tranmissions going sour like this before?
Has there been ANY recalls/notifications on transmission / tranfer case problems effecting the 2000 model year?
This happens again (and I am SURE it will!), I don't keep $3500 in the cookie jar to keep throwing at the problem.
Help? - Please???
#15401 of 16202 Re: In the long run, is a manual transmission better than an automatic CRV? [hooptym]
Jan 30, 2006 (7:12 am)
Thanks for your considerate response.
I realized too late that I probably should have bought a manual.However, I was told that the re-sale value is higher for an automatic if I do chose to change vehicles in a couple of years.
I have always driven a stick...all my other cars have been small speedy vehicles.
I just retired my 1984 Honda Civic 1500-S. It was a sad day, but I am keeping it in the garage and will "pimp-it- out" later. It has 186,000 miles on it and just keeps going and going!!!
No air conditioning, and I live in Tucson, Arizona!
Hey, my first Honda was an 85 Civic DX. I learned how to drive stick in that car (after driving an 83 Chevy celebrity, auto)! I have some fondest memories of her.
I too bought a Gen 1 CR-V with auto once. Thinking that "everyone has them, it can't be that bad" -- WRONG! I hated it, I literally hated the undecisivness and the inability to do what I wanted it to do.
I hated driving it in traffic. I don't know what people rave about autos in traffic, you have to switch from gas to brake all the time. At least with stick, you leave it in one gear and just play with the throttle. And in vehicles with automatic the brake pedal is not inline with the throttle. The brake pedal is raised a bit, or the throttle is recessed. I am used to having all my pedals inline. Makes it alot easyer for heel-toeing.
I was actually glad when it got stolen. Would I ever buy another auto, not as long as I have all my limbs.
#15402 of 16202 Re: auto vs manual - Help??? [jschneck]
Jan 30, 2006 (7:43 am)
Your story reminds me of a typical response from Click and Clack when people call in with problems.
Do you know how the vehicle was maintained/driven in the first 47K miles before you acquired it?
Jan 30, 2006 (9:30 am)
It's not so much the value itself, but more so the amount of potential buyers.
7% of us drive stick shifts.
93% drive automatics.
You have a much bigger buying audience if you are selling an automatic. They are much easier to re-sell.
#15404 of 16202 CRV is a great compact/mid sized SUV
Jan 30, 2006 (11:39 am)
We just bought a new "SUV" - the Honda Element. We looked at 4 vehicles very seriously: '06 Toyota RAV4, '06 Honda CRV, '06 Saturn VUE and the '06 Honda Element. Obviously, the Element is a tad different than the other 3. I preferred a "traditional" car-based SUV, she really liked the Element. She won.
I am, and continue to be, impressed with the CRV though. It was my choice, even in the face of the very nice '06 RAV4. The RAV4 is a great little car, but for being a 5 year old model, the 2nd generation CRV still holds its own. I can only imagine how good the redesign (3rd generation) will be. The Saturn VUE was also nice, especially with that Honda V6 engine. We dont need that much power, but with that engine, the Saturn made its way into our Final 4.
You can tell a difference with that extra 10 hp's the RAV4 currently has over the CRV (166 vs 156). However, the SAFETY features of the CRV really stood out to me. It was like a Volvo, in my mind, with just about every safety feature standard, whereas side airbags are an option on the RAV4 and the VUE.
Pound for pound, and feature for feature, I still feel the CRV is a better "value" than the new RAV4 or the VUE.
I also like the fact that Honda still manages a manual transmission option. The RAV4 does not. If we had bought the CRV, we would have gotten the 5 speed manual. I do wish Honda would allow a bit more flexibility with the exterior/interior color combinations. If I want black exterior, I like to be able to get tan interior, and not be forced into an interior color based on exterior color.
We bought the Honda Element because that's the car my wife really wanted. However, if anyone is looking for a compact/mid sized SUV, you couldnt go wrong with the CRV, the RAV4 or the VUE, with the CRV having the best "value" ratio of those 3, in my opinion.
Jan 30, 2006 (12:17 pm)
I hope she's the primary driver. Some times we men have to assert ourselves...
Hold on a second, the phone's ringing.
sure honey, I'll pick up the dry cleaning on my way home
Where was I?