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Honda CR-V, SUV
#12675 of 16202 Re: Synthetic Dual Pump Fluid? [tomk17 #12673]
Jun 26, 2004 (9:07 pm)
tomk17, I contacted R/P on both the ATF and Dual Pump fluid, there reply was that Honda wont release the spec's on the two, so they wont recommend their products for Honda. Honda does recommend DexronIII in place of their ATF, which is compatible to Royal Purple Max ATF and before Honda went to dual pump fluid they recommended their ATF fluid for the rear differential but it didn't hold up to good so they came up with dual pump fluid. I would think the Royal Purple synchromax fluid would be compatible to the dual pump fluid. Royal Purple wont recommend it until Honda gives their approval. Amsoil did their own test on the Honda ATF to come up with their formulation that is compatible with Honda ATF. Honda stile does not recommend it. I have another year to go on my warranty on my 1998 Honda CR-V, so next year I will try the synchromax fluid in my rear differential to see how it works, unless they,R/P come up with fluids that are approved by Honda before then.
#12676 of 16202 Re: Synthetic Dual Pump Fluid? [danpf1 #12675]
Jun 27, 2004 (10:32 am)
Each owner is free to use any fluid they feel comfortable with in his own car, but Honda's recommendations are unambiguous to anyone who can read the owner's manual. The phrase "may use _______ as a temporary replacement" doesn't equal a recommendation to me.
Just as we can get by for a short period with ordinary water in our radiators, or a compact spare on one of the wheels, you can get by with Dexron III in your tranny or rear-diff. But Honda doesn't want us to run the car like this all the time.
Jun 27, 2004 (9:30 pm)
Glad to hear it!
The fact they are apealing when they should have had their act together in court just further shows their cover up. Tell me, in any way do all these NHSTA cases come up in trial. You may want to tell Honda you are no entertaining offers to speak with local TV stations about your situation. Tel them the station is investigating the fires. Perhaps they will then do the right thing and settle. I bet a month or so later a newly designed oil filter appears too! Just proves Honda is no better than any of the other automakers...a bunch of dogs!
#12678 of 16202 Re: Synthetic Dual Pump Fluid? [slugline #12676]
Jun 27, 2004 (10:09 pm)
slugline, what do you think the reason is for not being able to use these compatible fluids? Nissan and Toyota both use to use the same wording but now use "It's equivalency" I think it is a word play using semantics "temporary replacement", means keep coming back to us for our products, spells greed. What do you think?
Thanks for your reply,
Jun 28, 2004 (3:16 am)
I brought the NHTSA cases up. And now I have two months to get more. If a redisgned filter comes out, PLEASE post that here. That would be incredible information, not just for me, but for everyone else. According to the NHTSA info, there is at least one major suit out of Georgia on this, - if I didn't that mention before. Although I can't say 100%, it appears that all or most of the fires started after the last filters got changed, so if I were Honda that would be a place to start.
The real question is this. I know they stopped selling the old filter at retail about september but when did they start putting the new filter on cars at the factory? Must have been well before september.
Me thinks they protest too much....Especially now
Jun 28, 2004 (6:13 am)
Why should she settle now? She already won double the damages for her trouble. Honda will cut that in half, perhaps less. And surely they'll want her to sign a non-disclosure statement. She has nothing to gain.
Sabrina: go in anonymously and buy a filter from a different dealer, then compare the part numbers.
Watch, 3 months from now there will be a TSB or perhaps even a recall of some sort to retrofit a heat shield or something similar. I'm not a betting man but the smart money is on Sabrina.
Jun 28, 2004 (6:24 am)
Thx for the update. But I must admit, I am totally surprised by Honda in this case. It flies in the face of all logic to me. It sounds alot like the Ford Explorer tire situation. Sheesh, you bring in your toasted car, Honda says "not a defect" and leaves you hanging. Did you ever find out if the oil filter was changed correctly by the dealer? Was there a double gasket?
#12682 of 16202 These Automakers never learn....
Jun 28, 2004 (11:41 am)
After the Tire fiascos, sludge fiascos etc etc you'd think someone would learn a lesson and step up and say 'hey we have a bad part, we'll replace it on your next oil change' and be done with it...assuming that is the issue.
Ironically Hyundai has just admitted that their Airbags do not function properly in one of their cars if you do not weigh enough. They have no real solution for the problem either. At least they are not trying to cover it up.
Once someone is dead I am sure it will be a whole new ball game. Of course by then Honda's rep will be damaged, they will be out big $$$$ and most importantly someone will have died for nothing.
Jun 28, 2004 (3:49 pm)
Honda can't say they didn't know about the problem...
Thx for feedback. My car did not have double gasket according to insurance co investigation and Honda never mentioned it in court so since they did an "investigation" I presume it is not an issue. They did allege the filter was not changed properly but never said why - no dbl gasket, no pinched filter and unlike others car went for 500 miles before the fire with no oil leakage. This is mystifying. They could easily give me money and admit nothing (which I offered). They have easily spent way more than what they would have paid me - you can't say I have a frivilous case. And I tried to settle seversal times. I have at least 5 registered letters. Insurance company never got responses either. It is a pain...If they are going to defend themselves in court, why wouldn't they just send me and my ins co the same info they are presenting in court...BEFORE we went to court
#12684 of 16202 Re: and... [sabrina9 #12683]
Jun 28, 2004 (6:46 pm)
<< no dbl gasket, no pinched filter >>
Outside of simply not screwing the filter on tight enough, I can't think of any other type of "installation error". But then if you drove 500 miles before the fire, the filter must have been on tight. How else can a filter be changed improperly?
In the infamous words of Bill Gates as he spoke to some High School students, "Life isn't fair, get used to it.". Keep your head up Sabrina and keep fighting, we're with you and keep us informed as your case progresses.