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You are in the Subaru Forester
What is this discussion about?
Subaru Forester, Wagon
May 31, 2002 (5:43 pm)
Forester won some sort of Power SUV category -- 2000? 1999? Then later Aztec? It's a "new kid on the block" award? The "Oh I love my new car" award that goes to the owners of a new model?
I understand car writers going for Escape -- a little extra horsepower salves many sins for them. They notice that Santa Fe has more horsepower than a Forester but never stop to notice that a Forester is lighter and goes faster.
CR is good to Subaru because Subaru makes quality cars that seem to last well. CR is more oriented to mechanical failures on its surveys, also.
Power is really oriented in another direction. Sure, it would be nice if Subaru made a better showing. It makes a better showing in long term, mechanical integrity. It's initial impression that seems to be the weakness -- as per Power. But Power appears to be more "flash" oriented, and I'm not sure I trust that. "Flash" can spell "flash in the pan" and the beauty you brought home does not age well, as it turns out.
Power has rated Subaru highly in Great Brittain -- highest in customer service? I think that was it. But in the US consistently low as per Power. The thing is, Subaru is rated pretty highly around the globe -- US, Australia, GB anyway -- quality and reliability, a peculiar durability and endurance.
So, I have to wonder about Power's criteria, methodology, and importance to anyone but car manufacturers and dealers, who must be very concerned with "flash" to get the car out the door -- and charging enough to make a profit after amortizing the limited warranty (the super-secret, actual defect projections that every manufacturer does and will tell no one about).
#6607 of 18028 Power & People
May 31, 2002 (5:48 pm)
I had exactly one "complaint" about Rufus in the 23+ months I owned him - a noisy hatch latch which showed up early. Since then, ZERO problems. Initial quality is IMHO greatly overrated as a measure of quality. As to Subaru buyers being "different", I research the purchase of the Forester for more than a year, and the very nice woman who bought Rufus indicated that she had been researching the purchase for (I believe) 2 years. Perhaps we are not the typical "impulse buyers" that many brands attract. After such extensive investigation, we expect perfection.
May 31, 2002 (5:48 pm)
Began life on a piece of legal pad paper on a trip back to Florida. It spread and spread and spead. Finally, we put it all together in a spread sheet as a form of self-defense. And I could fiddle with it endlessly without having to copy over and copy over; and we could see it all together.
#6609 of 18028 More or less a quote...
May 31, 2002 (5:53 pm)
A friend is in the market for a new car. Her husband is trying to research it. They go to test drive cars. Then they go home and think about it...well, he does. Our friend recently told her husband and this is more or less a quote: "Stop jerking me around...I don't want to keep TALKING about it...I just want to GO OUT AND BUY SOMETHING!"
#6610 of 18028 my new 2003 Forester
May 31, 2002 (6:01 pm)
well, after doing research, test drives etc.....i am proud to announce the birth......i mean, i am the new owner of a '03 Forester X.
Charlie, as he has been deemed, is awesome.
love the styling, ride, acceleration, appointments etc........
i was the first buyer of an '03 from the dealer in massachusetts that i purchased from.
my wife and i hope Charlie will be a great vehicle.
this site has been very helpful to me in obtaining information about subie foresters, albeit somewhat biased....
ace57 from massachusetts
May 31, 2002 (6:10 pm)
know what you mean about the trap.
Worst is the false confidence or lack there of that may be instilled upon unsuspecting Buyers if Power's survey methology is defective [I don't think they take severity into consideration].
Consumers will associate 'compliant' as used by JD Power to defect and misled they'll be
Make A complaint(s) - no brakes. Total - 1
Make B compliant (s) - too red, cushion itches, and power windows don't work. Total - 3
Make B is bad, 3 complaints and Make A must be good, it only has 1.
I better zip up. Going OT.
May 31, 2002 (6:21 pm)
Host: As one who can just get by with a low grade Wordperfect and is happy to establish any type of communicate via internet, I do lend applause to goldencouple for their computerized groundwork.
Dave: Yes, this thread is a toasted filament. Would that someone from Power would chime in and clarify its criteria. When they speak, people do listen, whether the message is liked or not.
May 31, 2002 (6:30 pm)
Yes, I have to confess. I've been following Edmunds, especially Forester posts for the past...oh let's see, year and a half, while I've done my research into small SUVs. I just may fit in with current Forester owners/enthusiasts. Thanks for all of the lively and intelligent discussions, and great information. I still haven't totally decided between the Forester and CR-V (but I'd better end my research soon for the sake of my marriage). I too was holding out for the turbo Forester, with manual transmission of course. And by the way, I'm typing this message on a MAC, had a best friend in high school named Dave, and need this new vehicle to haul around my Golden Retriever.
May 31, 2002 (6:46 pm)
whatever your choice comes to be.
The 8 ball says,...."Forester"
Ya, you'll fit in just fine
May 31, 2002 (8:40 pm)
If I were two blocks west of where I am, I'd be on Highway 280! I'm in the St. Anthony Park neighborhood.
Have a great weekend, all.