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Subaru Forester, Wagon
#4761 of 18028 Changes since the 80s
Feb 23, 2002 (3:53 am)
I'd echo goldencouple's comment. In 1985, I chose a Toyota Tercel SR5 4WD wagon over the Subaru Loyale & Honda Civic 4WD wagons. IIRC, the Subaru pricing was higher when equalized for equipment & options, the seating & ride less comfortable, fit & finish not as good. The Toyota's seats & handling were grand, transmission & clutch smooth, and the engine underpowered. I loved it despite its few faults. I was fortunate not to have any accidents, and my Toyota lasted 14 years & 280,000 largely trouble free miles. When its head gasket went, I replaced rather than rebuild. The rust had gone too far.
In 1999, I compared the Outback, Forester, CRV, RAV4 + used Camry wagons. Couldn't afford a 4Runner. Despite my strong leaning toward Toyotas, the Forester won hands down in the utility, comfort & pleasure-to-drive categories. As of 92,000 miles, its reliability has been very good although not as trouble free as my old Toyota. Still, this is more than offset by the car's overall delightful character. Parts are readily available here in the Northeast.
The market has changed greatly since the 1980s. If I were in the market this year, I'd probably end up buying a 2003 Forester. (I'd still be tempted by the Toyota Highlander, but it's larger and more expensive than I can justify.)
If its another 10+ years before I buy another car, I'm sure I'll be researching from scratch, even with my leanings toward Toyota & Subaru.
Feb 23, 2002 (7:09 am)
It's interesting how important the ownership experience of one vehicle is in determining how one feels about an entire product line. I'm sure Subaru was a lot smaller and quirkier back in the 80's.
I often hear about people asking about parts availability. It may have been a problem back then, but it sure isn't a major issue now. Parts procurement at dealers should be as good as any big auto manufacturer.
I've seen quite a few beat-up old Subaru wagons from around that time and they just seem to keep ticking.
Feb 23, 2002 (8:16 am)
I must admit that much has changed since the 80's, but once you have been burned by a car it is hard to forget. I have owned 6 cars since 1982, 5 subaru's (all still operating) and 1 Dodge (left me stranded 7 times in 35,000 miles). I swore I would never buy another American made car, and I have expanded that to never buy a Subaru made in America. Once you have been stuck in the middle of Montana staring at an empty freeway at midnight in a blizzard your neurons are permanently set on some things. I love my Subaru's for reliability, and the fact I have always made it to my destination. I still feel comfortable that even my 1982 GL wagon (348,000 miles) that my daughter drives will make it where ever I need to go.
#4764 of 18028 changes since '80s
Feb 23, 2002 (11:03 am)
I had an '87 GL wagon.
The good: real 4WD, with low range. (Why can't someone offer that today in a car-based SUV? Would offering that or the AWD as an option be that difficult/costly?). Flat dashboard for my coffee in the pre cupholder era.
The bad: sluggish performance (I think it was a 1.8 litre engine, not nearly enough HP or torque for the weight). Unreliable cold starts. Last year before fuel injection. Stranded me in the middle of nowhere once when the timing belt gave out before scheduled replacement.
But from reading here I'm convinced a lots changed since then, so I'd actually consider a Subaru again. Currently drive a Civic. It'll probably come down the the CR-V or the Forester.
Feb 23, 2002 (11:12 am)
You can hardly go wrong with either. Forester fit my needs best at the time. CR-V is great. Honda is a great brand. So is Subaru.
Feb 23, 2002 (11:30 am)
<< The good: real 4WD, with low range. (Why can't someone offer that today in a car-based SUV? >>
Subaru still offers that feature—just not here. If you go to Europe, Africa, Australia, etc., you will find the dual range tranny—and the hill-holder clutch. BTW, The hill-holder clutch is returning to North America in the '03 Forester, which will be here in late May.
#4767 of 18028 Permanent 4 wheel drive1
Feb 23, 2002 (1:45 pm)
If you're looking for real 4WD consider the Land Rover Freelander. It doesn't have a true low range, but with the push of a button you get a great hill descent control system (forward and reverse). since it's a permanent 4WD system, getting stuck is pretty hard from a standstill or up a steep incline. Also Hayduke01, cupholders in the dash that open for that all-important cup O' java for the road. Prices start on the Freelander 25K, but well equiped. Drive one, you'll LOVE it. Very crisp!!
#4768 of 18028 O.C.D. Ended
Feb 23, 2002 (4:53 pm)
3 yrs. of agonizing over bird droppings and such came to an end today when my wife introduced the front end of the Forester to a 3/4 ton P/U bumper. She wasn't hurt (scared pretty good though) but the Forester hood got peeled back like a pop top can.
It's a reoccurring theme with her. She has wrecked every car she has had, since we've been married. In all fairness this is the 1st one that was her fault.
I don't know how others feel but, after it's repaired it will never be the same to me.
Lynn is not allowed to drive the WRX. Ever !
Feb 23, 2002 (5:04 pm)
Sorry to hear the news.
I know exactly how you feel. Maybe in the spring, it will be time for a new '03 Forester?
#4770 of 18028 Thanks Bob..
Feb 24, 2002 (5:04 am)
but I was thinking of something more along the lines of military surplus for Lynn's next vehicle. Perhaps a tank or a used Hummer. You know, something with which she can run over things instead of into things.